Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/10/09

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Subject: SV: [Leica] Leica-Users List Digest V3 #356
From: AINA NILSEN and/or JOHN GILBERT <ainilsen@online.no>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:18:44 +-100

My response to Ted's response to my response...

<<<<>They were also shooting B&W. Color has put new demands and strobe is
one of the requirements as part of the process.>>>>>>>>

Hi JG,

hell no mon ami!  Light is light and it doesn't matter if you're shooting
colour or B&W!  All you need to know is which light works for you and what
doesn't!<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Au contraire, mon cher!

You make it sound so simple.

Light is light? Film is film and color is color and B&W is B&W! Not to 
mention the various output methods of putting them before a viewer.

I am judging as a pressphotographer who has worked in both mediums and has 
to meet a deadline, has to get things right and fast, and color has totallt 
rearranged the ballgame. How simple you make it sound, how marveloysly 
aesthetic to go in to an assigment, 'feel' the light. Yeah right. In a 
place where you have to balance FLOURESCENT, TUNGSTEN, and a TOUCH OF 
DAYLIGHT. Yes, just feel the light, the art of it all. No, mon ami, you go 
in with BLITZ and you use your technigue there instead. Who said that using 
strobe is crude or unartful, even in the fast lane of press photography? 
Nikon had made some very impressive advances in how we can use fill flash 
and make it look quite natural. Bravo for Leica for hopping on the 
bandwagon in their own way!

Light may be light but films are different and are going to handle light 
 differently. Strobe is light. Strobe is even available light.

This joust can get heated unless we distinctly define the style and medium 
for which we are shooting.  The true, true beauty of a Leitz lens is using 
natural light and color. NO DENYING. But try telling your photochief that 
you needed to wait for the right light, the right setting, when you've been 
sent in to photograph in a mall. Cameras and lenses get pictures. All 
kinds. M's in the end are a tool. And the M's have been coming with a hot 
shoe since the M4-2.

Ted added:
<<<<<<<<<<<<<There is beautiful light for colour: dawn, the twilight zone 
after sunset,
the colored rays after a great storm, the evening lights of Paris or
Stockholm. The wild lights of the Ginza in Tokyo or the gorgeous light of
sun rise on Tahiti!

Or just off the water of where I live in beautiful Victoria, BC 
Canada.:)<<<<<<<<

It's nice you have this luxury for painting with light. Most photographers 
in the workaday world just don't. So, again, if we are going to joust here 
we all need to define the mediums.....

<<<<And do you know what.........strobe has no bearing when you know how to 
use
the actual everyday light of the world! :)<<<<<<

You shoot chromes for a hospital? Ever handled the horrors of flourescent 
either with strobe or CC filter? Maybe I should shut the lights off, open 
the windows in the middle of an operation, tell the doctors to stop their 
work, and move so I can get just that proper shaft of God's light while the 
patient dies.

So again, if we are going to joust here, let's define the mediums.

JG

PS I attached a later correction my original statement which read ''and 
strobe is MORE OFTEN THAN NOT one of the requirements...''


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