Re: [Leica] MLU

[Edward Meyers <aghalide@panix.com>]

Sorry for repeating all the below stuff. When discussing the Mamiya lenses
vs. Hasselblad lenses please take into account the superior film
flatness of the Mamiya 6 and Mamiya 7. Hasselblad magazines have
always exhibited problems with film flatness. If the film is in the
magazine for some time, usually the next frame has a curved set and
will not exhibit proper sharpness. Also, the first few frames of a
120 roll will be sharper overall than the last few which unroll
from a much smaller spool diameter. The film gets little curves 
near the end. So it ain't just the lenses.  Ed Meyers

On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" wrote:
> > 
> > Actually Mark, all tests I have seen point to the fact that the Mamiya 6
> > especially has remarkable optics that better Hasselblad's Zeiss optics.
> > 
> > Peter K
> > 
> > > Mark Rabiner wrote:
> > >
> > > We love our rangefinders; and we love our optics too. I know a guy who
> > > is selling his Mamaya 6. Because it didn't compete with his Hasselblad
> > > optically? That could be the reason although I have to get around to
> > > asking him. He might be reluctant to tell be because He wants me to buy
> > > it. I'm intrigued by the 35mm panoramic capability on the 6 and the 7
> > > the 6 might be available much cheaper.
> > > I anticipate the optics on these Mamiya's being a let down to the Zeiss
> > > and Leitz acclimated. I'm sure someone is making loop de loop claims to
> > > the contrary but I'm not sure of any consensus or impressive test
> > > results to back that up. How good do these optics need to be? That's up
> > > to you. You've got those Hasselblad prints hanging on your wall.
> > > Mark Rabiner
> > >
> 
> I thought I was up on the doings of the majority of magasizes but if
> Mamiya is garnering those kinds of raves whether I happened to have seen
> them or not it's probably got Hasselblad rethinking its marketing
> statagegy among other things. If you happen to recall just who or what
> magazines or reviewers are making such claims I would be interested
> enough to check out their piece. Or as Gowland was just quoted as saying
> a test is worth a bunch of opinions if anyone who has shot both has an
> opinion that would be another opinion. It would have to shoot a test to
> get me to go along with this. If Erwin would say it I might for the
> first time start to doubt Erwin. That's how much of an apparent die hard
> Hasselblad nut I seem to be. Yippie ki yaa. It's just going to take some
> doing for me to go along with the idea that Mamiya has come out with a
> bunch of lenses bettering Zeiss. Of course you are not saying so Peter
> you are just saying that a bunch of reviewers are saying so you are not
> saying that this sounds plausible to you or you have experience to back
> it up or to the contrary. I think Mamiya is a very nice company but I
> will be very surprised when I prove it to myself that they have outdone
> Zeiss. Anything is possible.
> Mark Rabiner
>