Re: [Leica] XTOL capacity & time (was Question)

["Robert G. Stevens" <robsteve@hfx.andara.com>]

Christer:

You have two things a little confused.  The Kodak reccomendations for
increasing development time is based upon using the same one litre batch
with stock solution and returning the used developer to the container.
Doing it this way, it starts to deplete and sucessive rolls need more
developing time.  You will see similiar directions for Ilford ID-11 and
Microphen and other developers when used as stock solutions and then being
reused. 

The second problem is with the Jobo tanks when using them on a rotary
developer such as their CPE-2.  The tank has two capacities marked on it,
rotary, and traditional hand inversion.  Using hand inversion the two reel
tank as a capacity of 485ml, and 260 for rotary.  If you put the tank on a
CPE-2 with a jobo-lift, the excess of developer over 260ml will pour out
when you tip the tank sideways to mount it.  If you do not use a lift, but
the magnet drive and a lid on the tankd, you will be able to process with
the 400ml in the tank.

Regards,

Robert


At 12:14 PM 6/24/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>The current Xtol datasheet is April 1998-J109.
>>
>>On the matter of how much active ingredient to use, they are very
>>specific (page 2, "Capacity"):
>>
>>"We recommend always starting with at least 100 mL of full-strength
>>developer to prepare the diluted solution for each 135-36 or 120 roll.
>>for example, with a 1:3 dilution, this would produce about 400 mL of
>>solution. This is the minimum amount per roll, even though a lesser
>>amount may be adequate to cover the film"
>
>Yes, the data sheet is specific, but also not all that clear.
>
>The 'Capacity' section has a subsection 'Time Compensation' which states
>that the capacity is approx 15 rolls of film per litre, with time
>compensation. These three words are important. And then, if you go to the
>bottom of the page, there is a table for the time compensation. It says:
>"increase normal development time by 15% if you develop 6-10 films per
>litre and increase these times by another 15%  (that is by one-third in
>total) if you develop 11 to 15 films per litre full strength developer
>(FSD)".
>
>To me that means that if you use 100ml FSD per film you develop 10 rolls
>per litre and should increase the times given in the table by 15%. Perhaps
>a little more as a 33% increase is recommended if you use 91 ml (1000 ml
>divided by 11 films),  and I do not think that development times jumps in
>such steps for minor dilution changes. As always, your mileage may vary....
>And the mileage for different brand films does vary as the test made by
>Jobo confirms. They say Fuji and Agfa need more developer than Kodak and
>Ilford films
>
>On the subject of Jobo tanks (and other are similar), on the bottom of my
>tank it says that its needs 260 ml per film, which is true.  But what is
>also true is that you can put as much as 400 ml in the small tank, and this
>may be the solution to the capacity problem you would otherwise have. Just
>be a little bit more careful when agitating and emptying the tank.
>
>I have tried Xtol undiluted and diluted 1+1 and 1+2 and 1+3 with Delta 100
>exposed at 200. I found the 1+1 dilution to give the best over all result.
>I always buy the 5 litre pack, which costs less than two one litre packs. I
>find it false economy to save on developer and I use at least 150 ml FSD
>per film. Troop and Anchell would find even that too little I guess.....
>150 ml makes almost 7 films per litre FSD and I have found the 15% time
>increase described above to be needed and adequate.
>
>--
>christer almqvist
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