Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/12/21

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Subject: [Leica] Redo the Constitution?? Nonsense!
From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:39:05 -0800

Then please tell me Nathan, why in each state that has legalized guns, is
the crime rate substantially lower?  Realize that no matter how you prevent
the common people form getting firearms, the criminals still will get them.
People are who kill people, not guns!

The more we decide the Fed Govt must handle, the more we move to a socialist
state.  The individual states should have the right to handle local
decisions.  Air traffic control is not one of them since, much like
interstate trucking.  Case in point, do you think the Federal Govt should
handle all the criminal sentencing?  Should we have a Federal Sales Tax?  No
to both. I for one favor the hierarchy we have and enjoy in the US.  Doing
otherwise, we may wind up like other countries abroad which have low output
and exceptionally high taxes, neither of which is very desirable.

BTW, are you an American abroad?  You have strong opinions on a country you
do not reside in.

Peter K


- -----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Wajsman [mailto:nathan.wajsman@euronet.be]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 9:31 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Totally OT: Buzz's Know-Nothing Tax Rant


I agree with Joe that the Constitution is in serious need of modernization,
especially
the amendment used by the gun wackos to justify the free availability of
firearms. The fundamentalist position on the Constitution reminds me of the
episode of the Simpsons where the police chief and the mayor are looking at
Springfield statutes and discover that one of them has a right to a pig
every
year and the other a maiden of good repute...

As for government by the states, to me this conjures images of Southern
governors
in the 1960s resisting the advance of civil rights etc. and only standing
down
when forced by the federal government. I am with the Feds on this one.

I agree that some things should be left to the states; but unless you do not
believe in the USA as a single country, you must admit that the areas Buzz
mentioned are best managed by the federal government. Would you really want
to
have an air traffic control system run by the states?

Nathan

Marc James Small wrote:

> Read the US Constitution and tell me where this authorizes, for instance,
> "air traffic controllers" or where it requires the US government to
> consider the adoption of firearms laws.  Tell me where, and under what
> provision, welfare is justified.  Tell me where the Constitution
authorizes
> the Federal Government to worry itself with whether trucks are overweight
> or whether the environment is healthy or not.
>
> Many of these ARE governmental concerns but, under our system of limited
> Federal government, they are STATE matters and not Federal matters at all.
>
> This has been forgotten by virtually every one in today's US of A, but the
> States are to have control of almost all of the governmental functions.
> Read your copy of the Constitution and figure it out for yourself.
>
> Marc
>
> msmall@roanoke.infi.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
> Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!

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Nathan Wajsman
Overijse, Belgium
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