Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/02/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]>>>Shortly after reading this encouraging news, I then get to Mike's post, which states that the F3 has not been built for years. I think Mike knows his onions on that, so now I'm depressed again.<<< Mike actually doesn't know beans, so maybe he should do a big fat _mea culpa_ and back off. Fact is, I'm making assumptions, and we all remember Felix Unger's rule about what we do when we assume--ass/u/me--make an ass of u and me, although here it's possible I'm just making an ass of myself. Generally, the way Japanese camera production works is that there are a limited number of production facilities which are scheduled to make "runs" of a certain body, lens, or accessory. I'm not aware of how many Nikon products are in continuous production (or if any are) and how many are produced only intermittently. But for the most part, a decision is made to make a run of a piece based on sales volume, or anticipated demand; costs are figured; and a business decision is made as to how many pieces will be produced, how long it will take, how much it will cost, what the retail price of the item has to be, and so forth. When a product sells much faster than anticipated, as many of the early AF-Nikkor lenses did, they don't always have the ability to devote a production facility to making more immediately, because the production facilities are scheduled tightly and it's quite possible that they just might not be available. This was the reason for a lot of the chronic "shortages" of certain Nikon items over the years, especially in the mid-'80s...I seem to recall that there was a long (on the order of 8-month) wait for a certain flash cord for the F4, for instance, that had pros gnashing their teeth. What happens with an older product the sales of which have slowed is approximately as follows. A decision is made for a possible "final run" of the item, again based on sales and anticipated demand. But the final run may be based on the number of years they want to keep the product current. So, in effect, they'd make a whole bunch of 'em all at once to really stock up on the item. Then, they can control the outflow of product with pricing. If they want to move it out and get the items out of the catalog, down goes the price. We're all familiar with that case. However, the opposite sometimes happens too--they want to keep an item IN the catalog for a long time, so up goes the price, to slow sales and postpone the inevitable day when they run out. This explains something we see sometimes, namely a sudden jump upwards in price after many years. I'll give you an example. The first run of the 35mm Zeiss shift lens for the Contax was done in the '70s. It was priced according to the production costs when it was made, and it sold out of NOS for years with a relatively stable price, around $600-$700 here in the States. Then, suddenly, sometime in the early '90s, if you'd call one of the mail order houses to order one, you'd get put off--"it's on backorder." "No, sorry, we can't get those right now, call back in 90 days." Then, the lens reappears in the marketplace--only it's now selling for $1,800! What happened? They simply ran out of stock from the first run, and Kyocera had to decide whether to order another run from Zeiss. They decided to go ahead, but naturally, Zeiss had to base the price of the early '90s run based on the production costs of the new run, in the '90s, which of course were much higher than they were in the '70s. Hence the sudden jump in price. Another example. Remember when the Mamiya TLRs were discontinued? From what I heard at the time, Mamiya had run out of stock of the 330f or whatever was current at that time, and had decided to do another run, so they announced that the TLR would continue to be available. Then, suddenly, it wasn't. What happened, at least according to the scuttlebutt I heard, was that they made a decision about the size of the run and then discovered that many of the old dies were too worn to stand up to that much additional use. So the decision then had to be made based on the costs not only of new production but of new tooling. The costs were figured, the market was analyzed, and it became obvious that the future market for the TLR didn't justify the costs of the new tooling, because multiple runs couldn't reasonably be anticipated--but the retail price of the camera over just one additional run would have to be raised too much in order to cover the cost of the tooling--so the axe fell and the camera was discontinued. A final example: when Canon built the EOS RT in the '80s it was made in a run of 10,000. They were on a roll with the 630 family of AF cameras, expected high demand from pros and advanced amateurs for the RT, and priced the RT as a premium product, something like $800 when it came out. Canon at the time expected this to functionally be a limited run that it would last only one year! For whatever reason, though, the RT was stone-cold from the get-go. It simply did not sell. Who knows why? For some reason, it just didn't appeal to photographers (it was a lovely camera, one of the few cases where I've purchased a review sample after reviewing it). It took six years--six times as long as anticiated--to sell out, outlasted its "design parent" the EOS 630 (somewhat to Canon's embarrassment), and was selling for as low as $399 at the end of its lifespan. And so it goes. With any product, naturally, the business decision is going to be made mainly on a sound business basis (although sentimentality does play a part sometimes, believe it or not). I really have no idea if Nikon is on the last run of F3s. Nikon probably doesn't either! The reason is really not far to seek: the company will have to make the decision to produce an additional run or discontinue the product based on the sales, market projections, and production costs that pertain AT THE TIME THE DECISION HAS TO BE MADE. That is, they really can't decide in 1995 that they're going to make a run of F3's to last ten years (I'm pulling these numbers of air, they're just "fer instances"), and then guarantee at that time that the camera will be available until 2005. They basically have to wait until the NOS runs out, and then judge the market conditions, production costs, and profitability projections that pertain at that time. They may end up making another run in 2002. Or, the 1995 run may sell sluggishly and last 15 years. Finally, many times, a factor that influences such a decision is how the company is doing generally, and whether it has other profit centers. Olympus has been one of the most profitable camera-producing companies on the planet for much of the past decade, after facing a dire crisis in the late '80s when it guessed wrong on autofocus. Do you think the old OM system would still be soldiering on if this weren't the case? It's far easier for a company to decide to continue manufacturing an older product that has become a niche product if a.) they feel their prestige will be hurt by discontinuing it, and b.) they can easily afford to keep it going. (The converse of this is that sometimes companies have to discontinue even profitable products if the overall picture is too bleak and major changes in strategy have to be implemented.) Still, I think it's highly likely that Olympus only very seldomly actually commits to production runs of OM-line products, and is essentially selling the entire system out of NOS (although they do occasionally introduce a new product in the line). So it could well be true that Nikon has made ten runs of the F3 in the past decade and will almost certainly do more, or it could also be true that they're still selling out of a ten-year-old run and will never make the standard F3HP from the ground up again. Only Nikon knows! And only Nikon really knows--if anybody does--whether it will make another run of F3s if and when they're needed. The could be doing so now, for all I know. So, sorry I spoke so positively about the F3. I was making assumptions based on general knowledge that may not in fact be the case. I may be right; I may also be wrong. Whatever, if you love the F3, it's still current, parts are still available, and so it's discontinuation is self-evidently not something anybody has to worry about yet. - --Mike