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Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Emperor's new clothes: Cindy Sherman
From: "Stewart, Alistair" <AStewart@gigaweb.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:46:39 -0500

Sad to say, at MPW a while back, there was a meeting of the Photographers
Mutual Admiration Society. CS got a lot of nice things said about her work
from folks like M-E Mark, et al.

Ain't no accounting for taste, I guess.

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Collier [mailto:jbcollier@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:07 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Emperor's new clothes: Cindy Sherman


I have been watching Cindy Sherman's work right from the beginning. I have
found it to be a fascinating journey from her early days, where American
Photographer picked her as a someone to watch, to the present "exalted"
position in the art photo world. She got there by pursuing her own vision
not jumping on all the flavour of the month bandwagons. As with any mature
work, one sometimes feels a little lost jumping in at the end or the middle.
If you can find at your library a retrospective of her work, I think that
you might appreciate her more. Anytime I find a work particularly dense, I
remember how impressionism was received and give it a little time before
making any pronouncements. When I say my first Helmut Newton my first
reaction was revulsion at what I felt to be strong degrading S&M overtones,
again it took time and exposure to a range of his work to begin to
appreciate him. I now find his work to be about power and surprisingly,
considering the time in which it was done, that power is given to his women
muses. I do not find them sexual at all now. American Photo just ran a
retrospective on him and I would highly recommend getting a copy. In Nan
Goldin's defence it is very difficult to maintain the lifestyle necessary
for her early work and she has had to reinvent herself. So far I have found
her search very interesting and her use of colour breathtaking. By the way
she uses Leica Ms now, not that it makes any difference. Larry Clarke's
early work reminds me a lot of Nan's early work and, though the journey must
have been horrible for him, I like the stuff he is doing now as well. He
used Ms but now I believe is mostly exhibiting stills from his films.

John Collier

I hope your new lens works out well.

> From: John Brownlow <deadman@jukebox.demon.co.uk>
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:01:16 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Emperor's new clothes...
> 
> 
> Cindy Sherman.
> 
> 
> 
> Oh God, I hate her stuff so bad.
> 
> 
> 
> And, hate is too strong a word, but while I enjoyed THE BALLAD OF SEXUAL
> DEPENDENCY, Nan Goldin's work appears to have degenerated into a bunch of
> self-generating cliches from the hinterlands of various tedious
subcultures
> that we're meant to find 'interesting' per se. Not me.
> 
> And let's not get me started on Helmut Newton, per-lease.
>