Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/08/29

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Personal portfolios of misery
From: Jesse Hellman <palio@miata.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:27:35 -0400
References: <F58JaafMKDepexkeJes00002343@hotmail.com> <39AC6289.920D2607@rabiner.cncoffice.com>

Mark wrote "When Kyle gets over the shock of having a psychologist tell
him he has bypassed
all ethical considerations"...

What most led me to write what I did was Kyle's own statement that Mary
Ellen Mark told him it would be a Bad Idea, but, "I am, as you all know,
unencumbered by ethics." Actually, I don't believe this is true of him
and think that he said that precisely because he does have ethics and
was bothered by what he had been a part of.

Whether we act ethically or not is clearly relevant to the posters on
this list. Many of the ensuing posts were from people who insisted that
what he did was justifiable and, presumably, ethical.

One quality of photography is that we are all watchers, who like to
look, and use that part of ourselves to create photographs. This is no
more odd than to say that performers like to be seen. To record people
meaningfully we try to connect with them in some manner, so that we
convey some part of their humanity to the viewer, who feels this
connection and reacts to it. John Brownlow's photographs are wonderful
examples of this, as are Jim Megargee's. It is a high standard to aspire
to.

I am not afraid of the subject matter of cutting, and would welcome an
essay that illuminated it. But what have you learned about this from the
essay, other than that it exists and that you know nothing about it? You
have not connected with that girl nor have any understanding of her. I
suspect some have admired Kyle for making the effort, which is different
from having succeeded.

I felt Kyle's photographs did not succeed for me partially because it is
not clear what he was trying to do. It is extremely difficult to portray
the state of mind of women who cut themselves. But maybe this is not
what he intended.

I was troubled also by Kyle's seemingly being a part of what she did,
which is very different from being a documentary photographer. She
seemed to be cutting herself, at the end, for Kyle so he could
photograph it. I am sure this is not what he intended, but one
photograph appeared to show her cutting herself.

These actions are very complex. What is the role of a photographer here?
Can he know what the effect on her would be of his having photographed
her? What would the effect on her have been if he had instead told her
that he would NOT photograph her because he would not want her to hurt
herself?

I do have strong views on this, but they come from having worked
intensively for thirty years with patients who have been very depressed
and have cut themselves regularly. My teenage sons have friends who have
cut themselves, have attempted suicide, and have succeeded. One girl at
their school hanged herself last year. A boy at another school shot
himself in the head. There is barely a school or family anywhere without
some exposure to this.

I do not pretend my photographs are better or deeper than anyone's, and
have generally been quiet on this list, or have made comments on
developers or my beloved Leicas. As soon as I can figure out how to do
it, I will set up a website and show some of the portraits, theater
photography, and photographs of Italy I have done over the last few
years, and will welcome any feedback you have, as I know I have a lot to
learn. And, I look forward to Kyle's future pictures and posts.

Jesse Hellman

In reply to: Message from "Bob Walkden" <bobwalkden@hotmail.com> (Re: [Leica] Personal portfolios of misery)
Message from Mark Rabiner <mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com> (Re: [Leica] Personal portfolios of misery)