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Subject: Re: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats was: I commend to your attention
From: George Day <george@rdcinteractive.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:44:29 -0800

Frankly, I have to second Jim.  There's a lot of sensitivity on the list, it
seems to me, to any sort of criticism unless it's praise.  Well, a snap shot
is a snap shot is a snap shot.  That's not being insulting, it's just being
objective.

on 12/6/01 2:41 PM, ternahan at ternahan@sonic.net wrote:

> As long as the comments are constructive, not destructive...I thought most
> of the posts were ....not nice (not by first choice of words). If we use Ted
> and Doug's helpful comments and suggestions for improvement as a model, we
> would see more images and we'll all be the better for it.
> trish
> 
>> From: "SonC (Sonny Carter)" <sonc@sonc.com>
>> Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:07:06 -0600
>> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> Subject: [Leica] Jim's Brickbats  was: I commend to your attention
>> 
>> Steve and Brian,
>> 
>> I was at first miffed about Jim Brick's remarks but when he compared
>> the PAW project to first one, then to another professional
>> photographer who's working on assignment,  I realized that he just
>> doesn't get it.
>> 
>> The people who shoot PAW are, (I think) people who also have other
>> jobs, or commitments, not professionals. They scrimp for their
>> cameras,  they spend money and time shooting scanning and posting, for
>> the love of the craft.
>> 
>> Brick sez that our Nepali vacation guy's work "is every bit as good as
>> 95% of PAWs . . ." then says,  "I have generally stopped looking at
>> web pictures because unless they were
>> done at a very high level (good scanner/good Photoshop/good web
>> layout/good...) even great photographers look lousy."
>> 
>> So, if he has generally stopped looking, how does he know?  And if he
>> does look, and "bites his tongue," instead of commenting, why bother
>> to comment now on the general state of the PAW in favor of some
>> vacation photographs?  There are a number of people who comment, not
>> always favorably on these pictures, but the comments are always
>> welcome.  Sure, it feels good when the shot is commended, but if
>> there's honest criticism, then it helps us grow as photographers.
>> 
>> And I for one would much rather look at someone's best effort for a
>> week than read pages and pages of opinions on the color of the metric
>> distance scale on a lens.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sonny
>> http://www.sonc.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian McCarthy" <straightline@btinternet.com>
>> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:05 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: I commend to your attention
>> 
>> 
>>>> Jim Brick tells us what he thinks:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well... my opinion is that these photographs are every bit as
>>>> good as 95%
>>>>> of the PAW prints that are deluged on us weekly.
>>>> 
>>>>> Every time I look at the
>>>>> PAW's, the "my web site is finally up", the "please look &
>>>> comment", etc...
>>>>> I have to bite my tongue.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if I should stop taking pictures, based on the above
>> comment.
>>>> 
>>>> sl
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> Yes, it does make you think doesn't it!? But then, some of the
>> people who
>>> make this kind of remark don't seem to be sharing their photos on
>> the same
>>> basis. The PAW project is not about being a genius and producing
>> 'yet
>>> another masterpiece' every week - it's about trying and doing your
>> best at
>>> that time (well it is to me anyway). We do our best with what the
>> week
>>> offers us and present it - sometimes we are pleased with what we
>> present,
>>> but others opinions may differ. Sometimes we feel that we are
>> putting up
>>> something that maybe is not so good, and opinions will still differ.
>> The
>>> point is that hopefully , we will learn something one way or the
>> other from
>>> the criticism invoked.
>>> 
>>> I gave up announcing my PAW's on the LUG a long time ago, as I felt
>> that it
>>> was a waste of time, but I have maintained the project and there are
>> still
>>> many people around the world who give me their opinions - I find
>> them most
>>> useful and I have found the PAW thing a very worthwhile pursuit.
>>> 
>>> Keep on PAWing!
>>> 
>>> brian
>>> 
>>> Brian McCarthy
>>> brian@imagespace.co.uk
>>> www.imagespace.co.uk
>>> 
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