[Leica] Re: winter in GA

[Allan Wafkowski <allan@sohogurus.net>]

Austin, I refuse to get into a silly fight over this. Yes, yes, I know, 
that's only my opinion....

Allan


On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 07:42 PM, Austin Franklin wrote:

> Allan,
>
>> There is nothing insulting in what I said.
>
> Well, that's only an opinion, and others opinions differ from yours.
>
>> What was asked was whether
>> there was something to be learned from that site. I said, yes.
>
> If that were all you said, no one else would have been "insulted".
>
>> Some
>> others became rabid in their disapproval.
>
> And you don't think calling someone's remarks "rabid" is insulting?  If 
> you
> don't, you are wrong.  Somehow I think this isn't the first time 
> someone has
> told you that what you said (or wrote) was insulting...and that you 
> didn't
> see it that way...
>
>> Disapproval of what? The
>> style? They were not asked about the style,
>
> So what if someone didn't ask about the style?  That doesn't mean others
> can't express their like or dislike of the style!
>
>> Why the emotions?
>
> I would say you're the one who started the "emotions".  What is the big 
> deal
> with someone saying they don't like that style?  As you say "so what"?
>
>> It was a simple question. So
>> what,
>
> The comments had nothing to do with the question.  You apparently don't 
> get
> that.  Is there some rule that people can't express their opinions, and 
> that
> those opinions have to be solicited by direct question?
>
>> Franklin gets insulted?
>
> My first name is Austin, Franklin in my last name.  I would appreciate 
> if
> you address me by my first name.  And yes I was insulted, because your
> comments certainly could be take as being insulting.
>
>> There is nothing to be insulted about.
>
> That's only YOUR opinion.  Again, telling people they are "venting" when
> they are not (and "rabid" in this post of yours!), much less "venting
> hatred" when there was clearly none expressed (and again, these are YOUR
> emotions, not anyone else's...you are the one who apparently got 
> defensive
> and "personal" about this), and then claiming that "it is due to lack of
> formal training", though you did say "you think", and clearly that is 
> your
> opinion, but that doesn't mean it isn't  presumptuous, as well as 
> insulting
> (plus a few other things).  Even if I say "I think [someone] is an 
> idiot",
> that certainly would be insulting...and I'm not saying you or anyone 
> else is
> [an idiot], it's just an example.
>
> You made up things that clearly weren't said and criticized people for
> expressing their opinion of the images and style.  NO ONE that I read
> criticized YOU or the author of the web site.  Please go back and 
> re-read
> the posts before responding, I think you need to get a clear head as to 
> what
> was actually said.  Better yet, just drop it.
>
> Austin
>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Austin Franklin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I think that some of the hatred you hear
>>>> vented against it is due to lack of formal training by the ventees.
>>>
>>> That's really quite insulting.  No one said the lighting was bad at
>>> all.  I
>>> believe most people don't like THAT "style" (I know I don't), and that
>>> has
>>> nothing to do with lack of formal training.  BTW, I have had a LOT of
>>> "formal" training (though NOT in "brown" portraiture), and have a LOT 
>>> of
>>> personal experience (none in "brown" portraiture).  Neither of those
>>> make or
>>> break what I think of those shots.
>>>
>>> Austin
>
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