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Subject: RE: Vs: Vs: [Leica] Rangefinder Whiteout Problem - The Answer fromLeica
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:19:18 -0500

What we really don't know here - and I am stunned that this hasn't become
the focus of this thread - is whether Erwin even wrote the original post.
(It does not, in fact, read like Erwin's writing - it reads as though it was
written by someone whose first language is English, while Erwin's writing
reads like what it is - competent English written by someone whose first
language isn't English.) I would suggest that there are just as many reasons
to suspect it was a forgery - perhaps posted to embarrass Erwin; perhaps
posted to get the Erwin/B.D. pissing match going again ;-) - as there were
to suspect that the Marc_Small post was a forgery. I wonder whether Brian
can examine the original and determine whether it did, indeed, come from
Erwin, or whether there is another nasty troll who needs to be sent into
exile.

B. D.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Dennis
Painter
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:07 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us; imxputs@ision.nl
Subject: Re: Vs: Vs: [Leica] Rangefinder Whiteout Problem - The Answer
fromLeica


SthRosner@aol.com wrote:

> People are missing the point here. John is not missing the point here.
>
> Erwin has declared repeatedly that his evaluation of Leica cameras and
> particularly of Leica lenses and his writing about them is entirely
objective
> and that he is independent and free from any influence from Leica.
>
> Leica Camera AG has provided him with confidential information about
negative
> qualities of the new Leica M7, defects if you will, that Leica is in the
> process of addressing. He writes an evaluation of the new Leica M7 THAT,
> BECAUSE OF HIS REPUTATION, HE KNOWS WILL BE WIDELY READ AND RELIED UPON BY
> LEICA PHOTOGRAPHERS AROUND THE WORLD, that omits any mention of the defect
or
> the solution to the problem, expected by Photokina this autumn.

It is well known that the M6 rangefinder 'whites out' under certain
conditions.
That this condition would continue to exist in the M7 is hardly any
surprise. We
don't know with respect to what Erwin wrote what might have been revealed
subject
to non-disclosure and the terms of any non-disclosure agreements.

>
>
> I am a business lawyer. In the course of over 40 years of law practice, I
> have prepared dozens of non-disclosure agreements for clients and have
> reviewed dozens for clients who were about to be employed as senior
> executives. They differ broadly from the "non-disclosure" agreements a
> manufacturer imposes on photo or automobile magazines regarding reviews.
The
> latter simply state that we are telling you about this product and,
> occasionally, giving advance copies of photos, in advance of the product's
> release based upon your promise not to say or disclose anything UNTIL THE
> RELEASE DATE.

Relevance? Did you prepare or review any agreement with respect to or
related to
the subject of this email? You are implying that Erwin is no longer bound by
any
agreement with regard to this subject. Do you know that to be a fact?

>
>
> That is very different from what has happened here. Here Erwin has been
given
> negative proprietary information about the product - the M7 - and told by
> Leica NOT TO MENTION IT AT ALL.

Certainly another leap. I suppose you have documents supporting this
allegation?
Again I note that with respect to the subject that the M7 is most likely no
different than the M6.

>
>
> Does anything better demonstrate the closeness of his relationship with
Leica
> Camera and the Company's influence over him as well as the reason the
> objectivity of his evaluations, his tests and his writing have been
> questioned.
>
> Seth             LaK 9

It really demonstrates a leap which you support with a shaky foundation. And
your
"point", not supported with any real facts about any agreements between
Erwin and
Leica

Lest you think I am a huge Erwin fan, I have butted heads with him over
rangefinder whiteout. I knew something was different between the M2 and M6
but not
what. I also came to believe that Erwin didn't really know, at the time,
what was
different either.

Dennis


>
>
> n a message dated 3/11/02 1:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jbcollier@powersurfr.com writes:
>
> > Can you point out to me exactly where he spilled the beans? And what
kind of
> >  beans he spilt? Perhaps on his newsletter? Certainly I have seen no
> messages
> >  here.
> >
> >  John Collier
> >
> >  > From: "Raimo Korhonen" <raimo.m.korhonen@uusikaupunki.fi>
> >  >
> >  > Thatīs what the quote says. And heīs spilling the beans now.
> >  > All the best!
> --

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