Re: [Leica] Re: The loss of any member is a loss for us all

[Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com>]

While you're up there
throw down a few bricks
will ya
Javier

- --- Karina Klaas <shutterbug@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Yes, I do realise that the whole of LUG is not to
> blame but if you read
> Greenspan postings that it how it appears and I felt
> uncomfortable because I
> know this, to be in part, true - I have followed all
> critical postings of
> Erwin and feel that all of those critisisms were
> personal, and I do not
> refer to the question of his relationship with Leica
> - I felt that was a
> very valid question.  But, all else was a scathing
> attck on him as an
> individual and really it was not necessary - he
> never elevated himself to
> being "Lord".
> 
> Here I am singing off rooftops about LUG to a local
> Leica owner and in
> withing 3 days of doing that the very same site she
> recommends to me
> suggests we were the cause of Erwins "retirement".
> 
> There are a hundred to one happy stories on LUG but
> as you put it Eric, one
> only ever remembers when the bird s^&s on us.
> 
> I do not blame LUG, but it seems that non Luggers
> do.
> 
> Karina
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <ericm@pobox.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:04 PM
> Subject: [Leica] Re: The loss of any member is a
> loss for us all
> 
> 
> > Karina:
> >
> > >I was on the Greenspan website/forum
> > >this morning and the news of Erwin's resignation
> has been blamed entirely
> on
> > >LUG.
> >
> > So?  In my opinion--and I know that my post here
> won't change anybody
> > else's--the LUG is not to blame.  What do I care
> if some faceless people I
> > don't know think that the entire LUG is at fault?
> >
> > This isn't a LUG-caused issue.  One person typed
> an unnecessary insult.
> It
> > could have been on any mailing list or in any
> forum.  It turns out that it
> > was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's
> back.  So if we want to
> > place blame, should we place it on that insult? 
> No.  That was just one
> > instance.  There were just too many instances and
> Erwin decided it wasn't
> > worth his grief anymore.  It's not like he was
> squeaky clean, either.
> >
> > He seemed to do pretty good at dishing back
> insults from the security of
> his
> > read-only list.  In my opinion--and again I'm not
> going to change anybody
> > else's mind--that's worse than hashing it out in a
> public forum.  Attack
> > somebody but don't allow rebuttals.  I don't
> understand why Erwin just
> > didn't ignore the crap and continue doing what he
> does so well.
> >
> > It's easier to criticize than create work worth
> criticizing.  So there
> will
> > always be more critics than people producing work.
>  I don't remember who
> > said it, but I'm going to steal the line, anyway. 
> :)  Erwin needs to
> > remember that they never build statues in honor of
> the critics.  (And even
> > once you have a statue, some pigeon will always
> fly along and take a crap
> on
> > it.)
> >
> >
> > Eric
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