Re: [Leica] what we talk about when we talk about women

[Javier Perez <summarex@yahoo.com>]

Professional models pose for these shots with the full
understanding that someone at some time will make a
humourous or somehow unacceptable remark. They don't
care. I suggest that you not loose sleep over it.
I'm still trying to find out if this pic went through
photoshop DE. Not that there would be anything wrong
with that since it's still part of a creative process
now moving rapidly in the PS direction.
Javier

- --- Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> That is certainly a beautiful photograph. However,
> inappropriate some of the comments here deem the
> "technical and artistic" aspects of it as 
> "titi-erotical" is doing you and the model a
> disfavor.
> While the picture is very nicely done, but posting
> it
> on a global forum inevitably will draw the comments
> that follow. While the person behind the camera
> should
> be justifiably proud of the creation of such a
> picture, the model might feel otherwise as a result
> of
> the feedback comments. You did warn the model
> beforehand, or at least got a consentment before
> posting her picture ..... right ?
> 
> --- kyle cassidy <kcassidy@asc.upenn.edu> wrote:
> > >Well said Photo Phreak ... on a subject that is
> > >"taboo"... to a point that a woman's beauty, is
> > >becoming politically incorrect to comment on.
> > 
> > there's nothing wrong with commenting on a woman
> (or
> > anyone's) physical
> > attractiveness. it is the derisiveness of some of
> > these comments which
> > bothers me. when you say "wow, nice tits doll" you
> > are not commenting on
> > someone's beauty, you're deriding them.
> > 
> > while i'm certainly guilty of objectification of
> my
> > subjects -- and i don't
> > think that's necessarily wrong -- i do respect
> them.
> > they're human beings,
> > they're my friends, and they've trusted me. it's a
> > betrayal of that trust if
> > they then become the victims of oafish commentary.
> > like the photographs or
> > dislike them, but realize what risks models take
> > when they put themselves in
> > front of our cameras, especially when we ask them
> to
> > take off their clothes
> > first; they're making themselves vulnerable
> because
> > they trust us to make
> > something beautiful or meaningful -- as
> > photographers and (hopefully)
> > artists we are influencing how people around us
> > think and how they behave.
> > this is an awesome responsibility. i hope that i
> do
> > justice to my subjects
> > when i represent them. there are enough girls out
> > there every day getting
> > run over by the modeling industry, who get talked
> > into doing things they
> > don't really want to do by unscrupulous people, i
> > don't want to contribute
> > to that.
> > 
> > and please remember, this mailing list isn't ted
> and
> > b.d. and me and marc
> > and whoever sitting on your back porch drinking
> beer
> > at 1:00 in the morning
> > at a hunting lodge in the remote wilderness of
> > wyoming, it's a worldwide
> > forum with thousands of people listening and a
> > searchable archive. whatever
> > you think you may be saying to just a few other
> > people is going into the
> > mailboxes of many.
> > 
> > i may not be serious about much, but i'm serious
> > about how photographers
> > treat their models. and if i've taken someone who
> > trusted me with the image
> > of their own self worth and opened them up to
> > mockery, i've failed in that
> > contract and i need to go back to photographing
> > bugs.
> > 
> > i would suggest that when commenting on someone's
> > physical appearance, even
> > when you think you are complementing them, (and by
> > this i mean the royal
> > "you," meaning "all of us") imagine someone else
> is
> > saying it about your
> > wife or daughter before you commit it to the
> public
> > record. because that's
> > who we're talking about -- we're talking about the
> > way that we, as artists,
> > are conditioning the world to look at all women.
> > 
> > i happen to think that's a beautiful shot -- and
> > were i to see colleen, i'd
> > say "hey, you look great."
> > 
> > just my .02
> > 
> > kc
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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