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Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Ansel Adams on PBS TV
From: Henry Ting <henryting10@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:35:13 -0700 (PDT)

BD, I'm in agreement with you as far as
photo-journalism is concerned in recording the
accuracy of the event. However, there's no doubt the
drama intended by these pictures created for the
photo-journalism. I still remember a "LIFE" magazine
image of Robert Kennedy being shot in Los Angeles.
That image was appropriately in B&W and was very
dramatic. However, in different photography
disciplines, it is wide-open in allowing the person
behind the camera to create his own. A soft portrait
of a beautiful woman can be enhanced to a degree that
its marvelous to look at, but in reality the real live
person looks very different. Likewise a male celebrity
in his 80s can still look like a young stud "in
picture", but in real life .... ?

- --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I'm not necessarilly arguing for rigidity, Henry -
> depending upon what we
> call manipulation. But are you really saying that
> you can't understand why
> people expect a different standard in photography
> and painting?
> 
> How about the fact that photographs are generally
> thought to be accurate
> representations of reality - paintings, with rare
> exception, are not. Photos
> are thought to show us what IS in a given instant;
> paintings show us what
> was in the mind of the artist. And so on.
> 
> I am not arguing that photos tell the truth, or that
> there are not photos
> that are representations of what is on/in the mind
> of the photographer. All
> I am saying is that it is very easy to understand
> why people apply a
> "higher" standard to photographs.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> Behalf Of Henry Ting
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:43 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Ansel Adams on PBS TV
> 
> 
> Cameras, films, enlargers, developers, darkroom
> manipulations are all tools for photography. Just
> like
> a painter with brush, canvas and paint. They all
> started with a clear sheet of blank medium. So why
> photography has to be rigidly controlled as to what
> is
> ethical or not.
> 
> --- Eric <ericm@pobox.com> wrote:
> > B.D.:
> >
> > >it's okay to manipulate the bejayzus out of an
> > image...as
> > >long as you do it in the darkroom? ;-)
> >
> > I don't believe it ethical to do any manipulations
> > beyond that which
> > presents the photo as the photographer envisions
> it,
> > regardless of whether
> > done in the darkroom or in photoshop.  :)
> >
> >
> > Eric
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