Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/09/30

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine
From: "Don R." <don.ro@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:12:36 -0500
References: <116.180a323a.2aca460e@aol.com> <008601c268e8$67459530$0200a8c0@lightningp4> <00d401c268f1$97654a40$5360a4d0@jherron>

Nope, just tried of the control freaks trying to spoil the good works of
others.

Don R.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Herron" <jherron@theriver.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine


> Don,
>     Lighten up already!  Kim's posts have been gentle and only suggestive
in
> manner, and were not the cause of the offence, which, if I recall right,
was
> largely done by the highly caustic post of Fred Neanderthal (Spelling?),
to
> include calling the photographer "stupid".
>     His post, and yours, highly reek of "control" issues, but not her's.
>     Someone must have pissed in your cornflakes.  Kim certainly did not do
> anything to justify your post.
> Jack
> Jack C. Herron
> 8118 E. 20th St.
> Tucson, AZ 85710
> 520 885-6933
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don R." <don.ro@verizon.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine
>
>
> > Kim:
> >
> > And what business of yours was it to lecture a specific photographer
about
> > anything much less legal matters? If you don't have a state bar license
I
> > seriously doubt your are qualified to give a legal opinion and may be
> guilty
> > of  barristery.
> >
> > Just the typical "control freak" wanting to control one more human being
I
> > take it.
> >
> > If  "model release" is an "issue for potential discussion"  as you now
> say,
> > why not give us your dissertation but leave the specific photographer
out
> of
> > it.  Then you may ramble on with no harm being done.
> >
> > Let the specific photographer alone. Let him do his thing.
> >
> > By the way, where are your Leica photos?
> >
> > Don R.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Teresa299@aol.com>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/30/02 4:59:19 PM, gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca writes:
> > >
> > > << I agree!
> > >
> > > Pascal wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 30-09-2002 17:32 Neal Friedenthal wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>I usually avoid jumping in on these "controversial" threads, but I
> have
> > to
> > > do
> > > >>so here. While I have no problems with the image itself, it is quite
> > nice
> > > and
> > > >>very
> > > >>tastefully done, everyone seems to have missed one important issue,
> > > Clementine
> > > >>is only 17 years old. At 17 she is below the age of concent.  Her
> parent
> > or
> > > >>guardian would have to give permission for the picture to be posted
or
> > for
> > > >>that matter taken. The photographer has left himself open for
possible
> > civil
> > > >>or even
> > > >>criminal action should the girl or her parents object to the photo.
To
> > > >>photograph a minor, nude, without parental permission and
supervision
> > leaves
> > > >>the
> > > >>photographer open to a charge of statutory rape even if, as I'm sure
> is
> > the
> > > >>case here, nothing more happened than the photo session.  To take
the
> > photo
> > > >>even
> > > >>with parental concent would in my opinion be ill advised, to post it
> > without
> > > >>permission is downright stupid.  Believe me I am no prude, but I am
a
> > > realist
> > > >>you have
> > > >>to cover your butt in this world.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >I think that those who had a concern over this should have better
> > contacted
> > > >Gerry directly via private email instead of stirring up yet another
> > debate
> > > >in the LUG.
> > > >
> > > >Pascal
> > > >NO ARCHIVE
> > > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > I understand that the LUG has been irrationally contentious of late,
but
> I
> > > certainly hope that in the spirit of civility the LUG doesn't become a
> > hollow
> > > shell of yes-men and a few women.
> > >
> > > I raised the issue of consent not as a form of bashing Gerry on the
head
> > but
> > > simply expressing that in my mind it's a common courtesy to ask a nude
> > > subject's consent before posting his or her photo on the web.   Whilst
I
> > > could have emailed Gerry directly, why would I?  Neither my point nor
my
> > post
> > > was intended or contructed to embarass the man, rather it's an issue
of
> > > potential discussion.
> > >
> > > If simple discussion of issues on the LUG has automatically become
> equated
> > > with controversy I'm hard pressed to see which is worse, unending
> > bickering
> > > or the silent death that befalls a community of folks afraid to speak.
> > >
> > >
> > > -kim
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> >
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In reply to: Message from Teresa299@aol.com (Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine)
Message from "Don R." <don.ro@verizon.net> (Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine)
Message from "Jack Herron" <jherron@theriver.com> (Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine)