Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Goddamned namby pamby airy fairy artists flicking their paintbrushes everywere, with their big floppy hats and muses hanging of their arms - who the hell do they think they are... > Good god! Sorry I asked! > > Kit > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Slobodan > Dimitrov > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:29 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] Pictures and Privacy/Film Industry/Susan Sontag, > too! > > > This is an issue I've had since the 70's with the academic and art > world, with their bounders constantly straying into photography's > arena.I don't take well to their effrontery and verbal vomiteria. > As far as Sontag saying anything meaningful about the craft, > history can > decide that. I don't see her as anything more than a tabloid writer, > i.e. magazine, etc., masquerading as a thinker and intellectual. But > then that is the bane within our period of modernity. With mass > communication, comes the petty intellectual, not too dissimilar > from its > counterpart in the petty bourgeoisie from an earlier era. > Slobodan Dimitrov > > > Kit McChesney | acmefoto wrote: > > > > Well, maybe you don't like Susan Sontag, but the message that > she's trying > > to bring out isn't insipid. Gosh, you're on a mean edge today, > Slobodan!> What's with that? ;-) > > > > Kit > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Slobodan > > Dimitrov > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:25 AM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Pictures and Privacy/Film Industry/Susan > Sontag,> too! > > > > I don't doubt that there are many fine people in the entertainment > > industry. Here, we're talking still photographers, a duck of a > different> color. > > The money is fair, it's not great. But it does attract the usual > > individuals that will do work for hire. > > As far as Susan Sontag's insipid savantry is concerned, no comment. > > Well, maybe...then again, better not! > > Slobodan Dimitrov > > > > Kit McChesney | acmefoto wrote: > > > > > > There are many very good people who work in the film industry, > folks who > > do > > > superb work, have sound ethical principles, and are incredibly > creative.> > Perhaps it would be wise to separate the hype from > the substance before > > > condemning everyone involved. I have many good friends who > work behind > the > > > camera, and they are great people. It is also a fact that > industriesthat > > > make lotsa money attract all types, but that doesn't diminish the > > character > > > of the good folks. > > > > > > As for the copyright laws in France, their rules may have a > cultural> basis, > > > that is, the French tend to be very private people. Their laws > may have > > > evolved from that particular cultural difference--one that > Americans> aren't > > > too familiar with, given the commercially-driven bent in this > land for > > > revealing everything, regardless of anything. Could be a privacy > > > thing--respecting folks' right not to have their images > captured without > > > permission. > > > > > > On another note, did anyone hear Susan Sontag on the radio (I > think it > was > > > the Radio 360 program on Sunday on public radio) speaking > about the > > > differences between how we photograph subjects in the West as > opposed to > > > "non-Western" subjects? For instance, we have no qualms about > > photographing > > > people who are starving (as in Africa) and near-death, but at > the same > > time, > > > people debate if it is "tasteful" to photograph something as > horrifying> from > > > a disaster like 9/11. Somehow, we are able to see the Other as a > subject, > > > but to photograph something with equally horrifying details at > home is > > > taboo. Interesting. > > > > > > Kit > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > [owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Slobodan > > > Dimitrov > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:58 AM > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum > > > > > > Hardly ill-considered. Living in 'the' media town of the > world, outside > > > of Bollywood and New York, I've seen too many horror stories > to feel, or > > > think, otherwise. > > > My brushes with 'the industry' keep on re-affirming my perception. > > > Besides, I do not do 'work for hire'. > > > Slobodan Dimitrov > > > > > > "Beddoe, Neil" wrote: > > > > > > > > Your statement reminds me of one I read on a web site once > that said, > > > > "anyone who complains about the colour [of Fuji print film] > should be > > > shot". > > > > I thought that was a little drastic and ill-considered. > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Slobodan Dimitrov [sld@earthlink.net] > > > > Sent: 19 February 2003 15:05 > > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] A chance to compare yourself to Magnum > > > > > > > > Sounds like they took their cue from the movie and recording > industries. > > > > A scum clientele that no photographer with any kind of self > respect> > > should ever work for. > > > > Slobodan Dimitrov > > > > > > > > Simon Greenwood wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The French have copyrite laws that are rather different to > ours, the > > > owner > > > > > of the copyrite (as I understand it) is by default the > subject of a > > > > > photograph, unless agreement is made to transfer it to the > > Photographer. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone could confirm this > > > > > > > > > > Simon Greenwood > > > > > > > > > > --e > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > ---- > > > > This message is intended only for the personal and > confidential use of > > the > > > designated recipient(s) named above. 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