Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Boy, Jim, is that a sad commentary on medicine as it's being practiced - particularly given that you are a stent's throw from The Medical School. It's pretty appalling to think that patients being operated on - and, after all, stent insertion is an 'operation'- has to catch the doc's mistakes and point them out to him/her - from the table. :-( - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jim Hemenway Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:37 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: OT Re: [Leica] Digital - Rumor Mongering apologies to Mark R. BD: I was kidding Jerry about his stent. I have three stents now but like Jerry that's all that I have in common with the VP. The second and third were "installed" last June. I'm glad that I was watching my innards on the screen because when the Doc was finished with the first of them, he said something like "all set". I asked him if there were any other candidates whilst I was laying there and pointed out an artery on the screen that didn't look very good. He agreed and put another stent in me. So, I'm glad that I was watching it all on the screen. Too bad that they wouldn't let me bring the SL and 19mm in with me. - -- Jim - http://www.hemenway.com bdcolen wrote: > > Boy, does that send chills somewhere and make what hair I have left > standup and take notice. ;-) I'd love to watch in real time as someone > else got stents, but my own - I don't think so. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry > Lehrer > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:11 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: OT Re: [Leica] Digital - Rumor Mongering apologies to > Mark R. > > BD > > Yes, there are even more new advances since my stent installation, > which I watched in real time on a wide screen X-ray while it was being > done. > > Jerry > > bdcolen wrote: > > > Boy, I hope the medical info. in that book is dated - King had the > > surgery in '82 and the book came out a decade ago... ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry > > Lehrer > > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:29 PM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: Re: OT Re: [Leica] Digital - Rumor Mongering apologies to > > Mark R. > > > > BD > > > > You are a man after my own heart! Don Rickles would be proud to > > know you. > > > > Speaking of hearts, I just started re-reading the book you wrote for > > Larry King on his heart attacks. Since the time that I first read > > it, > > > I had my own MI which resulted in a stent installation. 5 years > > ago, and no problems. > > > > My cardiologist at UCSD said that a tremendous amount of progress > > has been made since that book was written. > > > > Jerry > > > > bdcolen wrote: > > > > > Greg - Why be so amazingly disingenuous as to sign such a > > > supercilious, pointedly nasty personal attack "regards?" Stick to > > > your > > > > > guns, man! If you're going to take eight paragraphs to write "fuck > > > you," sign off with something honest, such as "So there, you > > > asshole!" > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > With utterly no regard, > > > B. D. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Greg > > > J. Lorenzo > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:24 PM > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > Subject: OT Re: [Leica] Digital - Rumor Mongering apologies to > > > Mark R. > > > > > > Hi B.D., > > > > > > Lets see if I can sum up your latest missive: > > > > > > In Paragraph 1: you are informing me "that this discussion had > > > only ended". (I assume you meant to say "had not only ended" ?) > > > > > > What you're really saying is that YOU had decided it had "ended" > > > and > > > > why > > > > > > did I dare to catch up on postings YOU had already decided had > > > ended > > > > and > > > > > > post. I guess you also decided that all the waaay OT Iraq crap you > > > continued to post last week (after the List Moderator requested > > > that > > > > you > > > > > > stop) was still "On Topic" and "Open" for continued posts because > > > YOU had decided it was? > > > > > > In Paragraph 2: You continue to attempt to rationalize your > > > completely > > > > > and continually irrational behavior of interjecting into posts > > > demanding > > > > > > that certain poster's reveal all of their suspect "commercial > > > affiliations" because B.D. always does this and says so. > > > > > > In Paragraph 3: You're addressing someone named "Chris" to insist > > > that > > > > > all you've done is "suggested that we be upfront. Not that I have > > > any power over anyone; not that this is MY LIST; not that I MAKE > > > THE > > > > RULES". > > > > > > In summary: Why don't YOU reread YOUR OWN WORDS again in all three > > > Paragraphs below, starting in reverse order 3, 2, 1, just to see > > > if you may in fact be violating YOUR OWN RULES? > > > > > > B.D., respectfully, why don't your get yourself a dog, cat, fish, > > > or > > > > some other interest and thereby spend less time making rules and > > > posting demands of people on the LUG all day? > > > > > > This is my last post on this subject. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > bdcolen wrote: > > > > > > >It's quite simple, Greg - although if you had bothered to read > > > >the time > > > > > > >on posts you would have seen that this discussion had only ended, > > > >it had long ended in far more calm and collegial way than that in > > > >which you've decided to revive it... > > > > > > > >The point is that as we are constantly giving each other advise > > > >regarding commercial products - and many of us are factoring that > > > >advice into purchasing decisions - its really nothing more than > > > >simple good manners to tell each other if we have what might be > > > >perceived as conflicts of interest. > > > > > > > >BTW, Chris, all I've suggested is that we be upfront. Not that I > > > >have > > > > > >any power over anyone; not that this is my list; not that I make > > > >the rules. All I did was ask a few questions and make a > > > >suggestion.I wonder > > > > > > >if you've ever given any thought to the possibility that an > > > >outburst such as yours - with its offensive religious references > > > >and hectoring > > > > > >tone - could lead one to wonder why you find the idea of being > > > >upfront with people so, uh, troubling? ;-) > > > > > > > >Best, > > > > > > > >B. D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of > > > >Greg J. > > > > > >Lorenzo > > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:13 AM > > > >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > >Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital - Rumor Mongering apologies to Mark > > > >R. > > > > > > > > > > > >bdcolen wrote in part: > > > > > > > >>I am not questioning Tina's beliefs. > > > >> > > > >No your not, your doing something infinitely worse. By your words > > > >and > > > > > >innuendo YOU are implying that Tina has an ulterior motive for > > > >posting her opinion and experiences. > > > > > > > >>But as I have made quite clear here before, given that we are > > > >>all friends trading information > > > >> > > > >My point exactly. This isn't the Journal of the American Medical > > > >Association or even Consumer Reports and you're are not Mike > > > >Wallace doing a segment on Sixty Minutes! Its the Leica Users > > > >Group > > > > >and we > > > don't > > > > > > > >need a self appointed policeman. If you, or anyone else, wishes > > > >to disclose that they have received a camera, lens or some other > > > >trinket > > > > > >from Canon, Fuji or Leica that's their business. > > > > > > > >What I'd like to know is why YOU think that YOU need to come > > > >charging > > > > > >into ongoing discussions like Christ to cleanse the Temple and > > > >suggest that there is something disreputable about a person > > > >because > > > > >they > > > haven't > > > > > > > >disclosed something that YOU believe is germane? > > > > > > > >At best this type of behavior is bad manners. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > >Greg > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >To unsubscribe, see > > > >http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > >-- > > > >To unsubscribe, see > > > >http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html