Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/03/12

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Autofocus Leica R
From: Patrick Jelliffe <pbjbike@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:07:05 -0800 (PST)

Adam, you are assuming that a person without sight has
no imagination: That they  cannot imagine the
placement of objects within a specific area or
scenario. Many totally blind people were not born that
way, and do know what things "look" like even though
they do not have that ability any longer.

I have fabricated works for (sighted) artists who had
no fabrication skills.  Working closely, often through
verbal instructions, not sketches, they conveyed their
idea, and I would  produce an object  Granted, with
one dimensional art, such as photography, the
evaluation of the finished work cannot be reviewed by
the artist, but that does not prohibit them from
listening to criticism and modifying their technique,
and appreciating commentary. And yes, one can exercise
self expression without "seeing" the end result.  The
accuracy of a print, (and the idea that preceeded it)
can be described to the photographer and evaluated as
to its accuracy vs. the original concept.

Several friends of mine assist for professional
photographers in the studio.  Frequently, the
assistants set up the camera, lighting, background,
etc., and the photographer comes in when everything is
set and shoots. Many times, especially with still
shots, the photographer doesn't even move the camera
from the assistants' set up.  Direction is the ability
to convey the desired result in any art form to others
who carry out a given idea fulfilling the director's
wishes. Directing is what many famous artists do, and
their minions make it real. There is no reason a blind
person cannot do this.  

Patrick 



    
- --- Adam Bridge <abridge@mac.com> wrote:
> On 3/12/03 Patrick Jelliffe  wrote:
> 
> >
> >Art is SUBJECTIVE, Adam, and attempts to create
> >absolutes to judge the artist, his/her creative
> >process, or the finished work will fail. 
> >
> >Patrick
> >
> 
> Well DUH. But what does your response mean? How does
> the work of someone who
> cannot perceive the result, could NEVER perceive the
> result,
> cannot get
> criticism, improve? Where is the self-expression in
> this process?
> I don't think
> there IS any. It's performance art because the act
> is the art and not the result
> produced.
 
> I'm just terminally politically-incorrect in this
> area with absolutely NO
> apologies. 

> Otherwise there is no meaning 
>and we
> might as well just hang cameras
> on birds and cows and let them take photographs
> randomly and give each image
> equal value to anything posted here.
> 
> It IS subjective right?
> 
> Adam

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