Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/04/24

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Subject: Re: [Leica] New TriX
From: Ernest Nitka <enitka@twcny.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:53:20 -0400

Tim  I read the same article and that's the impression that I seemed to 
have.

ernie
On Thursday, April 24, 2003, at 01:30 PM, Tim Atherton wrote:

>
>> This is sure to be splitting hairs but what is the point of having 
>> less
>> grain in Tri X?  As someone already pointed out - maybe BD, it is the
>> film's 'signature' grain that makes it TriX - otherwise call it non - 
>> T
>> Grain Tmax.  Does anyone on the list know Kodak's reason for this new
>> TriX?  Is it just that this is what they can produce in their new
>> plant and
>> they are trying to dupe us into thinking this is an improved TriX - 
>> what
>> was wrong with the old TriX.  Sorry for the rant.
>>
>> Ernie HP5+ Nitka
>
> My understanding (mainly from discussions on the LF list and info from 
> some
> people who are based in Rochester who have various links to Kodak) is 
> that
> it's basically a "side" effect of the new modern coating/film making
> facility.
>
> I'm not a film techie, but what I've been told is, it's the same old 
> film
> formulations we know and love - i.e. the emulsion coating, but when 
> it's
> applied to the new base (or maybe the way it's applied in the new 
> facility)
> you get a somewhat different resulting end product.
>
> The testing in Photo Techniques seemed to show that one or two films
> remained almost identical, while others changed (and in the testers 
> opinion,
> some for the better and some for the worse).
>
> So - IT IS Tri-X emulsion - but the new base gives it a different
> characteristic. (and my understand is that changes like this have 
> happened
> before over the life of Tri-X and other films - it's just the changes 
> were
> not as obvious. Ilford, for example, renamed HP5 as HP5 Plus when a big
> change took place. But I remember talking to them at the time and they
> pointed out that HP5 just before it changed to "Plus" and HP5 when it 
> first
> came out were somewhat different anyway - the changes had just been 
> more
> gradual). And, of course, Kodak have changed the name of the product
> slightly to reflect this, though not as obviously as putting a "Plus" 
> after
> it.
>
> Now I'd better seen if I haven't thrown that magazine out to make sure 
> I'm
> not completely mistaken...
>
>
>
> tim
>
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