Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/04/27

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Subject: RE: [Leica] ASPH Flare and harsh Bokeh
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:31:25 -0400

Smooth, creamy background? From the Noctilux? ROFLOL!! :-)

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jim Laurel
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:53 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] ASPH Flare and harsh Bokeh


I too am surprised to see so much discussion about ASPH flare.  I've
never found it to be a problem with my 21, 35 and 90 ASPH lenses.  The
bokeh is indeed a little harsher than the older lenses, but considering
all the other advantages of the ASPH designs, I'm willing to accept
that.  If I want a smooth creamy background, I usually go for a 50mm
Summicron or Noctilux.

The reviews that the Tri-Elmar has gotten have always surprised me.  I
bought an early one, was very disappointed with its performance and
returned it to the dealer.  When the second generation TE came out, I
ran some tests, but still didn't see the contrast and crispness that I'm
used to with Leica primes.  And a maximum aperture of f4.0 simply
defeats the purpose of the Leica.

- --Jim

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From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] ASPH Flare and harsh Bokeh


> Sorry, but one of the things that I find most useful - and appealing -

> about the 21 ASPH, 28 Summicron ASPH, and 35 Summilux ASPH is their 
> flare suppression. Compare the 35 ASPH to the pre-asph 35 Summilux 
> which is one big flare zone.
>
> As for the "harsh bokeh" of the ASPH lenses - no, the bokeh is not as 
> smooth as that of the earlier lenses, but the contrast is better, the 
> image is "sharper," and there is far less flare - and all of those 
> things are far more important - to me - than what the out-of-focus 
> areas look like. I'm shooting what's in focus, and if I get gorgeous 
> out of focus areas but veiled flaring of the subject, I have a failed 
> image.
>
> The Tri-Elmarit? I have never understood why anyone shooting Leica M 
> for the quality of the glass would even consider using anything other 
> than the astoundingly good primes.

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