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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: nightclub advice
From: Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:42:01 -0700
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Sonny Carter wrote:
> 
> JB sez:
> 
> > I think that Ted's thinking is that, this is a Leica list and Leica's
> don't
> > use EV settings.
> >
> 
> Well, indirectly, they do.  If one uses a hand-held meter, it probably reads
> out to an  EV, and shows the possible f-stop and shutter speed combinations
> that will get you a correct exposure.
> 
> That usually doesn't hold for M5 and up with internal meters.
> 
> Some of us old farts like to do incident readings, and so MY Leica M6 does
> use EV settings.  On occassion, my Lika Leica digital has used Exposure
> Value.
> 
> Sonny
> http://www.sonc.com
> 
> > And Ted's formula is the correct formula. Neopan 1600 (at 3200 in
> > necessary), Xtol 1:1, M6 or M7 with built-in meter, and you are home free.
> >
> > JB
> >
I love EV's Sonny but wouldn't a meter (most of my Gossen's) which
throws up an ev reading have that reading ignored when the camera
doesn't use that system? If it shows F stops and shutter speeds as well
like the Hasselblad knob meter does NOT then the EV system is not in play.
Logically its like saying that since horses and sheep both have hoofs
you can make a wool coat out of the horse's coat if the sheep ever dies.
They both have cloven hoofs (biblical!).

I learned photography on an EV System camera, the Voigtländer Vito BL i
always mention. I knew an ev 13 from an ev 15 at a hundred paces and a
blindfold. (but no cigarette it screws up my optical responsions) 

My first SLR, a Nikon f2 just out that year left me starting from
scratch. And i never felt like i more than scratched the surface.
(Although now whenever i guess a reading out of thin air I do ok usually
with it)...


Anyway so much for logical and biblical all things Allegorical,
Alliterational, Allusional, Analogical etc., etc., etc…
 



Mark Rabinal
Portland, Oregon etc., etc., etc… USA
http://www.rabinergroup.com
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