Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/09/21

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Subject: Re: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS now Orient Express
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:17:09 -0700
References: <000201c38091$7c8e9c40$6401a8c0@dorysrusp4>

Don

Omigawd no!  BD will get on your ass for not calling it the "Asian
Express", regardless of what the railroad company calls it.

Jerry

Don Dory wrote:

> Jack,
> Why yes, the Orient Express is still running and from all accounts, it
> is a fabulous ride.
>
> Don
> dorysrus@mindspring.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack
> McLain
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:09 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
>
> Oh please..... "Oriental" hardly equates with the other nasty slurs you
> referenced, and inferring (if thats what you did), that I would use or
> condone those universally loathed terms based on my response is way over
> the
> top.  "Oriental" may not be as modern or accurate as "Asian", but it is
> hardly inherently a slur or derogatory.  We have at worst a generation
> gap
> here. There was nothing in the context of the earlier post to assume
> otherwise.
>
> And for the record, I have no problem at all being referred to as an
> "Occidental".....
>
> lighten up
>
> Is the luxury train "Orient Express" still running?
>
> cheers
>
> Jack McLain
> Tucson, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
>
> > Actually, no, Jack - It's hardly new. I first heard it about a decade
> > ago when an Asian student in a class at Harvard Medical School dropped
> > it on a prof who used "Orientals?" I wonder, would you say the same
> > thing about the use of blacks or African Americans in place of n*****?
> > Or Jews, rather than k****? Or how about Irish, rather than h****? As
> > you well know, the term harks back to the days when the sun never set
> on
> > the British Empire. Why does using the factually correct term bother
> > you? Can you show me a modern map of the world with the term "Orient"
> on
> > it? Just wondering.
> >
> > B. D.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jack
> > McLain
> > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:20 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
> >
> >
> > oh... how darlingly PC
> >
> > I do hope you are only busting chops here
> >
> > Jack McLain
> > Tucson, AZ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
> >
> >
> > > "Orientals?" Carpets use cameras? You don't mean "Asians," do you?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry
> > > Lehrer
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:34 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS for LEICA/ HERMES
> > >
> > >
> > > LUGers
> > >
> > > I have been berated off-list by quite a number of LUG members for
> > > suggesting that very few of us would ever be chosen for the Hermes/
> > > Leica Focus Group. Even comments like (Focus?-Bofus?) Have some of
> > > your racist friends explain that one.
> > >
> > > Lets face it Leica listens to a group of prestigious European and
> > > Oriental photographers whose works are published as Leica users.
> They
> > > probably laugh at most of us, who your fair-haired boy, HK, has
> > > defined as a bunch of fondles and worse.
> > >
> > > I may be wrong, but how many of you have been chosen for the Hermes/
> > > Leica Focus Group?
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
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In reply to: Message from "Don Dory" <dorysrus@mindspring.com> (RE: [Leica] FOCUS GROUPS now Orient Express)