Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Joseph, Re. legates and delegates, nuncios and internuncios You are almost correct, by which I mean your understanding almost agrees with mine :-) Let me play Marc James Small for a moment and elaborate my arcane erudition: :-) :-) Briefly, in the hierarchy of Papal foreign diplomacy, a Nuncio is higher than an Internuncio; Nuncios are sent to more important countries, internuncios to lesser ones. Both are equivalent to the rank of ambassadors and are accredited by the respective governments which therefore must have diplomatic relations with the Vatican. Both offices have diplomatic as well as ecclesiastical powers. Both offices have "ordinary" jurisdiction (i.e. power of a legate, as opposed to delegate). They usally hold the rank of archbishops; nuncios of certain countries (Nuncios of the "first class") are "promoted" to Cardinals after their mission. Apostolic Delegates are not always of a diplomatic character, only ecclesiastical one, and are usually sent to countries which do not have diplomatic relations with the Vatican. They are not ambassadors. When sent to countries with diplomatic ties to the Vatican, the title of "envoy extraordinary" is added to that of Apostolic Delegate, which title is recognized by the foreign goverment, and grants diplomatic recognition and powers to the office. Such is the case of the Apostolic Delegation and envoy extraordinary to the United States, which have the powers of a nunciature of the first class; moreover, this Apostolic Delegate has always been elevated to a Cardinal while incumbent. My guess is that the titles of Nuncios and Internuncios are more often applied to missions in Europe, whereas Apostolic Delegate and envoy extraordinary is used more in the New World. Leica connection ? Wasn't a Leica presented to Pope John Paul II ? Anyway ... - - Phong who is not a Catholic, Roman or otherwise. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Joseph > Codispoti > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:14 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: [Leica] Albigensian > > > Legate: (tied to or legato) An ambassador in ancient Rome. > > > > Presently Nuncio, Internunzio, or Apostolic Delegate. A representative of > the Papacy assigned to foreign governments. > > In other words, ambassador. > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html