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Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital Leica?
From: Peter Dzwig <pdzwig@summaventures.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:56:06 +0000
References: <004c01c3af80$1a9b5cd0$6501a8c0@CCA4A5EF37E11E>

For the record my lenses mostly start at f1.4 or thereabouts and run up 
to f32. Not all are leica, though.

Peter Dzwig

B. D. Colen wrote:

>What's f11? Don't you mean f1.1? Next you'll be telling us there's
>something known as f16 - or even f22! :-)
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>B. D.
>"F1.4 and be there!"
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>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of
>frank.dernie@btinternet.com
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:55 AM
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital Leica?
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>Exactly what I meant Mark. Most affordable(ish) digital SLRs have
>sensors similar to half frame but give pretty good results and DoF
>effects not too far from 35mm film. If you want the full effect you can
>pay 5 times the price for double the area, not worth it for me. The
>dinky P&S digitals can't give the effect but they are amazing for the
>"negative size". For film to compete on size grounds a 35mm negative
>would need to translate the same detail onto a 40x30 enlargement as a
>digicam does on a 10x8. Anybody tried it? cheers Frank
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>> from:    Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
>> date:    Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:05:49
>> to:      leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> subject: Re: [Leica] Digital Leica?
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>>Frank Dernie wrote:
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>>>Sorry Peter,
>>>Not on digitals with minuscule sensors (less than 3/8" wide) because
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>>>f11 is already causing serious deterioration due to diffraction on 
>>>7mm focal length lenses (and must be difficult to manufacture an 
>>>iris with an accurate aperture less than .025" diameter)! These 
>>>sensors are a fraction of the size of minox film never mind 35mm, 
>>>depth of field effects we are used to are impossible on them. It is 
>>>surprising how good the enlargements are from such tiny "negatives" 
>>>but if you want 35mm type DOF you will need a 35mm size sensor - 
>>>very expensive at present, thought the "in betweens" (Nikon, Fuji 
>>>and most Canon digi SLRs and Leica in a year or so) are an excellent
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>>>compromise IME. cheers Frank
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>>>On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 08:25  pm, Peter Dzwig wrote:
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>>>>Looks like what I want, but I still want head-up info - and PLEASE
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>>>>can we have a minimum stop smaller than f11.
>>>>
>>>>Peter Dzwig
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>>It strikes me that the sensor sizes most of us for digital are using 
>>is very close to the half frame format. 16 x 24mm is half frame
>>15.6 x 23.7 is the sensor on my Leica D100.
>>How close can you get?
>>I say the reintroduce half frame big time with lots of glass to go
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>with
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>>it which also goes with your digital cameras. With an image circle
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>that
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>>size they can do anything. I'm sure come out with an F1 normal lens,
>>They can throw smoke bombs at the people standing around the
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>background
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>>to make them look less distracting. I think that's a big thing in
>>cinematography. Smoke everywhere. It's part of the optics!
>>
>>Mark Rabiner
>>It's like trying to write movie scripts from epic novels. They should 
>>be written from Short stories!
>>
>>Portland, Oregon USA
>>http://www.rabinergroup.com
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