Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/24

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Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery
From: robertmeier@usjet.net
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:01:01 -0600
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Jerry--

There is one exception to that rule:   when you are enlarging a portrait of
a woman, especially if it's your wife.   Then a a few discrete seconds of
wrinkled celophane beneath the enlarging lens is magic.

Bob


> Mark
>
> Absolutely correct in every way!  I was going to respond with essentially
> the same words as yours.  I learned very early on, NEVER diffuse in
> enlarging.  (unless you are enlarging a transparency onto direct positive
> paper).
>
> Jerry
>
> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>
> > sam wrote:
> > >
> > > You LUGers frightened me into being less than forthright. I jump in my
> > > seat every time someone writes "Don't put junk in front of Leica
glass"
> > > (meaning a $59 B&W double-coated glass filter). So intimidated was I
> > > that I omitted the specs of the photo in question. Not from
dishonesty,
> > > but from fear. The truth is much worse than any UV filter in front of
> > > Leica glass:
> > >
> > > Camera: M6
> > > Lens: 75mm CV
> > >
> > > (Not too bad yet, but...)
> > >
> > > Ilford Multigrade #4, pearl surface.
> > >
> > > Kodak Diffusing Disc #1 (circa 1912) used over the El-Nikkor enlarging
> > > lens).
> > >
> > > Print was flatbed scanned to obtain an image for the net.
> > >
> > > The #1 disc really only lowers contrast; starting with disc #2 real
> > > diffusing begins to take place.
> > >
> > > Sam S
> > >
> >
> > With the 75 you'll probably miss your focus if you shoot wide open
> > anyway and you'll get all the softness you need! And plenty of Bokeh
> > with vital nutrients!
> >
> > Sam, diffusion of the enlarger spreads the darks into the lights.
> > When you have it in front of your camera lens it spreads the whites out
> > which is a nice happy thing although pretty much not in style.
> > Having the darks spreading is like the evil stuff is coming out of the
> > cracks. Bad vibes. Has a negative feeling to it. Plus you loose your
> > grain structure. Not good.  It's not often done and most printers would
> > advise to avoid it. You could pretty much call it a No No. As Maxwell
> > Smart would say. But I did it once on a rough forehead of a girls
> > portrait with a slightly dirty piece of saran wrap on a cloths hanger.
> > For about a third of the total time of the exposure.
> > But people have told me stuff like that and I've told them all to go
> > screw themselves!
> >
> > I've replaced enlarger lenses which had gotten ever so slightly cloudy
> > on the inside with a new fresh one (Nikons do that) and boy what a
> > difference! Most would recommend the highest clarity possible in an
> > enlarger lens. Ansel said if you don't dust off your lens you loose a
> > grade of contrast! I'd call that a stretch. In an early photo series The
> > Print book.
> >
> > Again if you really feel you need diffusion most would advise doing it
> > in camera NOT enlarger.
> >
> > Mark Rabiner
> >
> > Portland, Oregon USA
> > http://www.rabinergroup.com
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In reply to: Message from Adam Bridge <abridge@mac.com> (Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery)
Message from Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> (Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery)
Message from sam <sam@osheaven.net> (Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery)
Message from Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> (Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery)
Message from Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net> (Re: [Leica] LUG Gallery)