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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT- War Photography
From: Luc Bourgeois <luc@forcemajeure.qc.ca>
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:13:35 -0500

On Dimanche, décembre 14, 2003, at 08:46  AM, langhans wrote:

> Anyone else have photos that define a particular war?

Aram:

With the quantity of images in the past decades, I'm not sure there can 
still be particular symbolic representative images of specific wars. 
The further back we go, the closer the link between a war and a 
photograph to represent it collectively. Simply a question of rarity of 
images.

D-Day is only visually remembered by a few surviving shots from Capa, 
the only photographer to go on shore with the troops, and his negatives 
where mostly all melted by a careless lab tech. The Republican soldier 
was the first war photograph of 'death as it happened'. The Civil War 
is visually documented by Fenton (and subsequently Gardner) and Brady's 
photographs of death fields.

As we get closer to present day our mind has multiple images of 
multiple wars. In fact, one can wonder if the more pictures we have of 
wars, the less acutely we can engage in a common sense of rejection of 
the war itself.  But more recent photographs stand out (still because 
of rarity?), for example the Stuart Franklin photograph of the student 
holding up the tanks in Tiananment square in '89.

If photography can be a rallying point, then a photograph becomes 
emblem.  (How we engage with war photography, as viewer, society, and 
photographer, is surely one of the most complex subjects...) In this 
case, the images I mention below are public, and personal, emblems of 
peace; except probably the republican soldier photograph: that one 
holds a fascination of another nature.

Robert Capa's falling republican soldier (Spanish War) and his few 
surviving shots from D-Day as well as his passionate pictures of the 
liberation of Paris (WWII).
George Rodger, 'The Blitz', London 1944
Ernst Hass' Homecoming prisoners, Vienna 1947
David Douglas Duncan, Captain Ike Fenton, Corea 1950
Raymond Depardon, West-Berlin, 1962
Don McCullin's dead VC soldier with personal pictures, Vietnam '68
Philip Jones Griffiths, Boy crying over the dead body of his sister, 
Vietnam '68
Stuart Franklin, Tiananmen square, Peking, '89
Luc Delahaye's 'Trois Frères' in Sarajevo '93
James Natchwey, Feeding Area, Sudan '93 & Hutu Man, Rwanda '97, 
Students celebrating Suharto's departure, Jakarta '98

WWI only had military appointed photographers. Apparently,  in certain 
armies, if you we in service and took pictures the sentence was death 
by firing squad.

On Dimanche, décembre 14, 2003, at 08:46  AM, langhans also wrote:

> After experiencing
> Vietnam, I no longer have any interest in those things.  No longer 
> obsessed
> by man's ability to kill man.  Saw enough of that, so photos no longer 
> stick
> in my mind.

And I'll also mention André Kertez, who's life and career was greatly 
affected by both world wars, but his lens never came close to a 
battlefield, and he only seemed to be able to capture sweet poetry.

Cheers.

Luc


On Dimanche, décembre 14, 2003, at 08:46  AM, langhans wrote:

> With war and war photographers in the news and on the LUG lately, I 
> thought
> I'd pose a question.
>
> I just started reading the book "Flags of Our Fathers" by James 
> Bradley.  I
> am not into it enough to comment on the book itself, but it got me 
> thinking
> of war photos.  What is the first photo that comes to mind when you 
> think of
> a particular war?  I might suggest two photos that come to my mind 
> about two
> wars.
>
> WWII was before my time, but I think the flag raising on Mt. Suribachi 
> photo
> which this book is about is probably the single photo that comes to my 
> mind.
> Another candidate might be Eisenstaedt's sailor kiss photo on V-J day.
>
> Vietnam is definitely in my time frame and the photo that comes to 
> mind that
> symbolizes that war is the young girl burned by napalm running down the
> road.
>
> I really don't have any other photos for any other wars in mind.  When 
> I was
> much younger I would play soldier and was interested in all the 
> weapons of
> early wars.  Built model airplanes and the like.  After experiencing
> Vietnam, I no longer have any interest in those things.  No longer 
> obsessed
> by man's ability to kill man.  Saw enough of that, so photos no longer 
> stick
> in my mind.
>
> Anyone else have photos that define a particular war?
>
> Aram
>
>
>
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