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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Leica Users digest V26 #146
From: Seth Rosner <sethrosner@direcway.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:28:20 -0500
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10401150919001.4096-100000@mucho.2alpha.com>

Peter, how truly kind of you to take the time and trouble to respond so
lucidly and demonstrably to my questions. Clair, claro.

I need to get some better experiential knowledge of T400CN. It strikes me
from your text and examples that for real available darkness, Tri-X or T-Max
that I have been using recently may produce images that I prefer while for
use outdoors or where there is ample light T400CN does a beautiful job,
particularly if one scans to produce the final print.

I still have some residual concern about the archival issue.

Again, many thanks,

Seth               LaK 9

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Klein" <pklein@2alpha.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:00 PM
Subject: [Leica] Re: Leica Users digest V26 #146


>
> Seth: I've used T400cn a fair amount. As you say, it has great latitude
> and scans well.  It is also very fine-"grained" and has beautiful, smooth
> tonality.  It can be processed by any lab that does C-41 color negs. Since
> it is a dye-cloud film, infrared-based dust reduction software like ICE or
> FARE works well.
>
> As you also have heard, T400cn is lower contrast than, say, Tri-X.  That
> goes with the latitude.  But, that can easily be remedied if you do a
> little work with curves.  So you have a film that can capture an unusually
> wide brightness range, and what you do with that brightnesss range is up
> to you.  It helps to scan in 16-bit mode, as that gives you more numbers
> to stretch in the curves without posterization.
>
> The pictures you get from T400cn in good light have beautiful gradation
> and smoothness, almost like medium format.
>
> Now the bad news.  T400cn can tolerate much overexposure, but little
> underexposure--just like fast color neg film.  The more you expose, the
> less apparent grain.  Shadows can get muddy and grainy in available light
> situations.  T400cn can get scratched if you even *look* at it sideways.
> Many labs that can process the negatives don't understand how to print B&W
> on color paper, so you get sepia, greenish or magenta-tinged prints.
> Like all color negs, T400cn is not archival. Depending on the processing,
> it might fade in a few years, or not.
>
> On the advice of a lab owner I know, I have been shooting T400cn (and
> Supra 400) at ISO 200 when there is plenty of light, and I crank it up to
> 400 when I need the extra stop's speed.  This works well.
>
> Here are a few T400cn pictures from my ramblings.
>
> Outdoors at ISO 200, with orange filter. The blurring of the nearby trees
> is due to a 35 mph wind.  But look at the tonality, and how sharp and
> beautifully textured the rocks are:
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/california2003/JoshTree35.htm
>
> In dull available light, ISO 400:
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/lhsa2002/13henning.htm
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/lhsa2002/14tuulikki.htm
>
> You can see the shadow muddiness in the dark clothing on this one:
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/lhsa2002/36rabiner.htm
>
> And in Noctilux territory, but with a 50/1.5 wide open at 1/8 sec. I used
> Neat Image on this one, and placed the black point up a bit so the
> grainiest stuff would go completely black:
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/lhsa2002/30ted.htm
>
> Finally, here are two shots taken at the same concert, under the same
> contrasty, glaring toplight. One with T400cn and the other with Tri-X in
> Xtol 1:3.  You can do a side-by-side.
>
> T400cn:
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/musicians/1-25AmosLoriErichWeb.jpg
>
> Tri-X:
> http://www2.2alpha.com/~pklein/musicians/2-09SchulhofBowsWeb.jpg
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --Peter Klein
> Seattle, WA
>
> Seth wrote:
>
> > Funny, literally 30 minutes ago I picked up two rolls of T400CN to use
> > on a business trip to San Francisco this Friday. I have limited
> > experience with this emulsion. I have heard that it can lack the crisp
> > contrast of silver films but that it is much easier to scan. Also very
> > forgiving latitude as I discovered this past fall when shooting a roll
> > exposed as for 800 and got very presentable images, though I did not
> > enlarge to any great extent. I'd be grateful for any experience you
> > would care to share.
>
>
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