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Subject: Re: [Leica] epson digital RF report pages
From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:16:58 +0000

? a real need! Most news photographers find it fills a real need now. 
Most Sports photographers do as well. There are a few I know who still 
use film for ultimate quality but the difference in real world 
situations is very small between current digital and 35mm. The only 
people for whom film is still the best choice is the smallish number of 
fine art and landscape photographers using large and medium format. In 
studios even they are moving to (ludicrously expensive IMO) digital 
solutions.
There are a small band of hobbyists who still use film - I am one of 
them - but many I talk to are only convinced by theoretical benefits of 
film over digital, they have never tried comparing for themselves. I 
know exactly under what circumstances I will use digital or film now, 
by my own experience and experiments. FWIW on my experiments the film 
is critical, on Kodachrome with a Leica and tripod there is clear 
superiority over DSLR results. Handheld the differences are smaller. 
Using 200 asa print film changes the results - digital is always better.
For ultimate quality I still use medium format. I only use 35mm film 
for fun now. For hand held  walking about type photography digital is 
as good and much more convenient. I wait with impatience for the 
digital rangefinder which takes my Leica lenses, then I will have the 
best of both worlds - a digital camera which is fun to use!
Frank



On Friday, March 12, 2004, at 12:52  am, Sam wrote:

> A time will come when digital cameras will serve a real need, but that 
> time is not yet. I agree, 8 bits led to much greater, and useful, 
> computers. My point is that there is a space between conception and 
> realisation that is ripe for fad and novelty. We are going through it 
> now. Now really, does it make sense for people who shoot 20 or 30 
> frames a week to talk about "work flow"???
>
> Sam S
>
>
> Dan C wrote:
>
>> The 8-bit home computers led directly to the multi giga-hertz 32 bit 
>> ( and
>> soon to become 64 bit) home computers that we have today.  Pac Man 
>> led to
>> the incredably complex games available today, along with software 
>> such as
>> Photoshop.   They didn't lead back towards abacii or slide rules.   
>> Nor
>> will film cameras make a comeback among the people who benefit from 
>> them
>> (and this includes both pros and the happy snapper amateur).
>>
>> At 06:29 PM 11-03-04 -0500, Sam wrote:
>>
>>> No, I'm saying we are going through a period in which just about 
>>> everyone believes they need a digital camera, and if they had one so 
>>> many things would be done better. Even those people who are forced 
>>> to use digital because it's been imposed on them by bosses are 
>>> merely being compelled by the forces of whim. If getting more 
>>> pictures faster is important to a news outlet (for example), why the 
>>> hell is the news 85% nonessential garbage? Are there any signs that 
>>> digital has improved anything? None. To the vast majority it's a 
>>> novelty made to appear like a need. It's much like when the first 8 
>>> bit home computers became available. How much serious work was done 
>>> on Atari 800s and Commodore 64s? Not much, but they were made to 
>>> sound as if your whole life would be dramatically changed. Instead 
>>> of dramatic change we got Pac Man.
>>>
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