Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/04/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Smoking in the same room is not the only problem that smokers create for non-smokers. They also drive our medical insurance rates up because of serious smoking-related illnesses. Even if insurance companies give non-smokers a price break, it doesn't offset the medical costs of smokers. Rather than legislate smoking, how about just denying any medical coverage for smoking-related illnesses? If they are going to be self-destructive, why should we pay to repair their own destruction. We don't allow smoking in the buildings at my college, so the smokers take several 10-minute breaks every hour while the rest of us continue to work. Do you suppose they would be willing to work 10-hour days to offset all of their quality smoking time? Naw, we can't legislate that. Let's just live with it. Jeffery Smith New Orleans, LA -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+jls=runbox.com@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+jls=runbox.com@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:50 PM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] a new one OT alert... You didn't parse the message the way I intended. The 'self-indulgent, imposing jackass' I spoke of are those who would legislate smoking. Now, I don't know you and you hide behind a screen name, but allow me to suggest that if you ingest pornography on the Internet you have one hell of a nerve worrying about whether your clothes stink. Sam S sdp35 wrote: > But I *don't* understand the implication in your first post that a non > smoker who is trying to avoid having his clothes smell smoky is a > 'self-indulgent, imposing jackass' while the smoker who is trying to > have a smoke while making the other guy's clothes smell smoky is not a > 'self-indulgent, imposing jackass'. One is imposing on the other in > each case. > > What's the difference? > > On Apr 11, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Sam wrote: > >> Do you understand the difference between personal behavior and >> legislated behavior? I've been both a smoker and, for the past 25 >> years, a non-smoker. When I smoked, I would ask if smoking bothered >> the people I was with before I lit up. Some gracious non-smokers >> would consent to my smoking even though their clothing might take on >> the odor of tobacco. One might well conclude that such forbearance >> was the result of my effervescent personality. Being in my presence >> while I puffed on a cancer stick, surely causing that person to go >> home to loved ones reeking of Havana, certainly is a testimonial to >> my pleasantness of spirit. Which brings me to another matter. >> Militant non-smokers are humorless. It stands to reason, of course, >> that anyone who wants to live to be 112 years old would become surly >> at the mere hint of lung smoke. I once lived in the same apartment >> building as an activist non-smoker. He woke up each morning--rain or >> shine-- at 5am and went for a run. One morning while jogging upstairs >> from his run, he dropped dead of a heart attack. I was the person who >> found him. I do confess to this list that there is a very dark side >> of me. For a moment upon seeing the body, I had an almost >> uncontrollable temptation to place a lit cigarette in his mouth--or >> his a*s. >> >> Sam S >> >> >> sdp35 wrote: >> >>> So let me see if I understand...a non smoker is a "self-indulgent, >>> imposing jackasses who are always busy getting other people to do >>> something they don't want to do, or to not do something they want to >>> do." but a smoker forcing a non smoker to "to do something they >>> don't want to do, or to not do something they want to do" i.e. to >>> have the non smoker's clothing smell like the smoker's smoke, is not >>> a self indulgent, imposing jackass? >>> >>> Not sure I see the difference... >>> >>> CZ >>> NC >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Sam wrote: >>> >>>> My motto is "Smoke 'till ya choke." The problem is that the >>>> thought/action/don't-even-think-it police are out of control. In >>>> NYC a shop owner does not have the right to allow smoking, even if >>>> it's a tavern. >>>> >>>> B.D.'s statement that if we allow one drug (smoking) we must allow >>>> all drugs is not well thought out. I wonder why he did not use >>>> alcohol as his example (hiccup!). Certainly alcohol kills more >>>> innocent people than smoking. >>>> I like smokers. These flawed human beings are a breath of fresh >>>> air :) in relation to the self-indulgent, imposing jackasses who >>>> are always busy getting other people to do something they don't >>>> want to do, or to not do something they want to do. >>>> >>>> Happy Easter, Passover-- >>>> >>>> Sam S >>>> >>>> >>>> Tina Manley wrote: >>>> >>>>> At 07:12 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Face it - people who smoke are drug addicts. And unless you favor >>>>>> the >>>>>> legalization of all currently illegal narcotic substances, you're >>>>>> being >>>>>> a hypocrite to whine about smoker's rights and the 'persecution' of >>>>>> smokers. >>>>>> >>>>>> B. D. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm back after a week in Kentucky. There seem to be more die-hard >>>>> smokers in Kentucky (where lots of tobacco is grown) than even in >>>>> North Carolina (where all of the tobacco companies are based). We >>>>> stopped at one antique store that had a prominent sign outside >>>>> "Smokers Welcome!" I knew I shouldn't have gone in, but my >>>>> husband was looking for antique light fixtures. As soon as we >>>>> walked in my sinuses plugged up and I got a headache. There is no >>>>> way I would have bought anything in that store. There were >>>>> several books I would have been interested in, but they were >>>>> infused with the smell of stale smoke. There is no way to get >>>>> that smell out of books. Smokers have the freedom to smoke in >>>>> their own homes and stores and I have the right to refuse to buy >>>>> anything they are selling. >>>>> >>>>> Tina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>>>> www.tinamanley.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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