Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/08/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Marc, I see in a late post that Nathan linked you to info on nobel prize winning author Knut Hamsun - I brought his name into discussion along with other very strong kultural personalities in Scandinavia (neigboring contries to Germany) Among these people were also Knud W. Jensen, who, as Nathan described in a nother post founded perhaps one of the most important museums of modern art in northern europa, but who also together with the later director of Denmarks largest lyric publishing house Gyldendal, Ole Wiviel, had his sympathy for the wrong guys during the first nazi-years. I posted those names sort of to illustrate that it is to easy to sit and condem people who worked for the national socialits in the 30ties - there was no internet/mail lists to provide you with real information on what was going on and there were governments from sorounding countries that openly claimed they had made good relations with Hitler, and there were a general strong anti jewish feel in the public. Today, with the very large number of imigrants from the middle east we se an increase in anti jewish acts - synagoges and graveyards being moslested, jewish people being assulted etc. In some contries there is no effort made to stop this. The EU-commision had ordered a repport on anti semitism, but it was initialy stopped when they found out that the conclusion was that it orriginated from middleeast islamic immigrants. That matter was to sensitive. In Denmark jews and danes have coexcisted for more then 400 years in something that both parts have considdered close to a problemfree relation, but in the 35 years of islamic middleeastern immigration crime rates have exploded and a dramtic percentage of all violent crimes are commitied by people orriginated from the middle east. Pointing some of this out and supporing the US in the IRAQ conflict, marked our government as almost J?rg Haider'ish and racistisc by many european countries. Not more than a month ago an american exchange student was knife stabbed in the center of copenhagen by middleeastern imigrants simply because he was an american, and not more then a couple of days ago a norweigan exchange student was stapped in the back, for deffending his girlfriend, when she was being insulted by middleeastern immigrants. Last year an Italian young man was stabbed to death for no reason at all. This in the town marketed for years as "wondefull copenhagen". In short I am less worried by what impact Reifenstahl had in the 30ties than what some politicans in the EU have when the speculate in votes from middleeastern immigrants neclecting minorities like Jews and Homosexuals while they are assulted by immigrants claiming to have a pagt with Allah! The democraticys in europa is because second world war and the cold war is not far away much more fragile than you think and if we keep on allowing islamists attacks on this democracy it will colapse. What is happinening right now is that Islamits organisations oppenly support terror groups, oppnely send there youngster to "islamic reeducation" in the origin contries and claim to be excluded from acts that could integrate them in a modern western civilization. All these acts are very anti democratic. but if they are confronted with it, all of a sudden, the claim freedom of speech etc. Please show me on Islamic country were there is freddeom of speach, were ther are equal righst for woman etc. Should this post offend anyone or should some of the expressions be non PC please considder that English is not my first nor my second language, and that conclusions are many but one thing is for sure and that is that the terrors of the third reich could happen again, even though we believe that we are much smarter now than then na d even though it might not be with concentrations camps etc. Just think of what happend in Bosnia or in Rwanda - with the rate the they killed people in Rwanda the would have proceeded hitler if there had not been stopped. Cheers Ruben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc James Small" <msmall@infionline.net> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] Leni Riefenstahl > At 05:55 AM 8/25/04 +0200, Nathan Wajsman wrote: > >Whether or not she was technically a member of the Nazi party in the > >sense of having a membership card and having paid her membership dues is > >an irrelevant issue (just as it was with Hamsun in Norway). She WAS a > >Nazi and gave everything she had in her (artistically) to the Nazis. > >Sure, she did not kill anyone or smash any windows during the > >Krystallnacht, but that was not her role in the machinery. As for later > >repentence, can you show me any record of it? > > > ===================== > > God in heaven, Nathan! > > I have no clue as to who Hamsun-in-Norway might have been but his name > apperars a bit extraneous to this discussion. > > By the time of Kristallnacht, Reifenstahl had been shunted away by G?bbels > for two years. > > In other words, any services Riefenstahl gave to the Nazi regime ENDED in > 1936. How does this make her responsible for anything beyond that point? > > Marc > > msmall@infionline.net FAX: +540/343-7315 > Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information