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Subject: [Leica] OT: Some square snaps
From: firkin at ncable.net.au (Alastair Firkin)
Date: Mon Mar 7 06:35:16 2005
References: <Pine.SOL.4.58-L.0503061515560.7883@hedvig.uio.no> <003701c5228a$d0878220$98384454@desktop> <Pine.SOL.4.58-L.0503071449040.20131@hedvig.uio.no> <69dcf9a6751667e01b25947e8aff4822@ncable.net.au> <Pine.SOL.4.58-L.0503071516000.20131@hedvig.uio.no> <98a4e1b08f3ae0f71efeeafba1b47ff0@ncable.net.au> <Pine.SOL.4.58-L.0503071527140.20131@hedvig.uio.no>

Its possible if its really worth it. I'm in Prague from the 7 to the 
12, and I had planned to go to Poland from there, before heading back 
to Hamburg and Sweden.

On 08/03/2005, at 1:29 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote:

> If you're serious ... you will be making a very, very serious mistake 
> by
> not being here in Oslo May 17. It is a special day. A "must-see".
>
> I leave for Africa on the 19th but it was planned that way, in order to
> be here on the 17th.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Alastair Firkin wrote:
>
>> OK, see you in MAY ;-)
>> On 08/03/2005, at 1:17 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote:
>>
>>> Tourists are very welcome and the Norwegian population is a charmer.
>>>
>>> As a tourist, you won't need to have anything to do with these 
>>> salaried
>>> twits. :-)
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Alastair Firkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> gee, Helen and I were due to come up that way, perhaps we will go to
>>>> New Zealand: they are only moderately unfriendly there ;-)
>>>> On 08/03/2005, at 1:04 AM, Daniel Ridings wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Graham,
>>>>> Foreigners are not really welcome here. Tolerated, but not welcome.
>>>>> The
>>>>> fewer, the better. Perhaps I'm exaggerating, but I feel I have to
>>>>> since
>>>>> Scandinavia has tended to have a liberal stamp on it. The various
>>>>> countries react differently. I suspect that Sweden has the most
>>>>> liberal
>>>>> refugee policy, Finland the least, Denmark, a small country, has 
>>>>> been
>>>>> over
>>>>> saturated and Norway is somewhere inbetween. Probably closer to
>>>>> Finland
>>>>> than anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Norway does have a lot of public money, oil money. So it can afford
>>>>> to
>>>>> have civil servants on duty who really don't have to pull much
>>>>> weight.
>>>>> They can act offended if you show up and expecting them to perform
>>>>> their
>>>>> duties. (I've had a run-in with a few of them, so my background
>>>>> information might be tainted :-) ). It doesn't really matter if 
>>>>> they
>>>>> do
>>>>> anything or not. The country and afford them. The bureaucracy is of
>>>>> Byzantine proportions.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you have these furners. You make them report to the police 
>>>>> station
>>>>> (one
>>>>> single police station in all of Oslo, the capital city, mind you, 
>>>>> not
>>>>> just
>>>>> your local station) between 8 and 10? possibly 11. Anyway, at the 
>>>>> end
>>>>> of
>>>>> the short time frame they close. Doesn't matter that you've been
>>>>> waiting
>>>>> there since 8 am, they close. Sorry. Come back tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> So all these poor souls start queuing up at around 7 am. This
>>>>> particular
>>>>> day it was -15 degrees and the wind was raging off the fjord, the
>>>>> harbour.
>>>>> Cold. Very cold. Most of these people come from temperate zones ...
>>>>> Africa, Pakistan, India etc. 15 degrees is cold for many of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> At 8 o'clock ... make that 8:05 if the police really feel like
>>>>> screwing
>>>>> with you, they unlock the door. Now at that point, you don't retain
>>>>> your
>>>>> queue place, but you have to rush to a number machine and get a 
>>>>> queue
>>>>> number.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of these will not get served on today. The one station is Oslo
>>>>> is
>>>>> not
>>>>> open long enough to take care of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe they'll get tired of it and decide to move home?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80729.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Excuse my cynical humor today. I had a run-in with the customs 
>>>>> people
>>>>> at
>>>>> the border last night. Norway is a member of Schengen so they're 
>>>>> not
>>>>> allowed to do controls of people, only of goods. I think they're
>>>>> trying to
>>>>> drum up business for the train line to Gothenburg they now have but
>>>>> can't
>>>>> get to take off (they raised the price 100%) so they're making sure
>>>>> all
>>>>> other forms of transportation are so miserable to use that people
>>>>> with
>>>>> opt
>>>>> for the useless train instead (it's a milk-run. Stops at every farm
>>>>> between Gothenburg and Oslo).
>>>>>
>>>>> Something like that ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I particularly like these two:
>>>>>> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80727.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80728.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and I am curious about the reference to 'foreigners dose of
>>>>>> humiliation'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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