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Subject: [Leica] B. D. PAW
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Fri Mar 25 13:19:39 2005

Fair enough.
And I still like your photographs. :-)


> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:09:52 -0500
> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] B. D. PAW
> 
> No - Not at all. But I think a "photograph" is a single image captured
> by a camera. You are using photographic images to create a different
> kind of art. That's all.
> 
> The bottom line, Philippe, is that we disagree, and will always disagree
> on this. You have decided to do a project combining individual
> photographs; I wish you good luck with the project, but I don't consider
> the end product of what you are producing to be "photography." But I
> know that there are many who disagree with me. :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Philippe Orlent
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:57 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] B. D. PAW
> 
> 
> So Photography equals Photojournalism?
> 
>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:17:03 -0500
>> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Subject: RE: [Leica] B. D. PAW
>> 
>> Oh, God, here we go...:-)
>> Smith would be fired today because, oddly enough, while virtually all
>> print and broadcast reporting journalism standards have deteriorated
>> to a terrifying degree over the past 15 years, those for photo
>> journalism have markedly improved. Frankly, that may have something to
> 
>> do with the advent of digital and the increasing ease with which one
>> can alter or even fake images. While all sort of manipulation was
>> acceptable, or at least winked at in Smith's day, today's photo
>> journalists are, on the whole, held to a standard that says beyond
>> cropping, you don't alter an image. You can use Photoshop to burn and
>> dodge in order to bring the image close to what the eye may have seen,
> 
>> but beyond that, you don't fool with the image.
>> 
>> And as to your work - yes, you are a photographer - when you take each
> 
>> image. But I would argue that your end product is not a photograph,
>> but rather a "photo composition," or a some such.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf
>> Of Philippe Orlent
>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:07 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] B. D. PAW
>> 
>> 
>>> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:56:22 -0500
>>> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] B. D. PAW
>>> 
>>> Sure, you could tone in the darkroom, but again, this is a different
>> matter.
>> Look, you've decided that you want to use multiple images to produce a
>>> single image.
>> (And yes, I know that one of
>> Eugene Smith's iconic images was produced by sandwiching two
>> negatives; I also know that today he'd be instantly fired for doing
>> that. ;-))
>> ---
>> Thanks for your answer, B.D.
>> But if I've decided anything it is only that I want to produce images
>> using a camera, wether it is with a single image or with several.
> Also,
>> I don't see why darkroom toning would be different to PS duotoning.
> I've
>> done both with pretty much the same goal and results. Finally, and out
>> of curiosity, why would Smith be fired today? For twisting the truth?
>> IMO THE truth doesn't exist anymore, if it ever has, that is.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Philippe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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