Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/04/25

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Subject: [Leica] (was Coenen) now: buying Leica new vs. used
From: sdp35 at cwazy.co.uk (Craig Zeni)
Date: Mon Apr 25 15:55:37 2005
References: <BE92A7FA.1405E%mark@rabinergroup.com> <p06210232be9313a00e15@[10.4.1.193]>

On Apr 25, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:

> At 1:58 PM -0700 4/25/05, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>
>> But if you get one with a mirror lock up its pretty usable.
>> Although Luminous Landscape head honcho and Leica nut Michael 
>> Reichmann says
>> the SHUTTER itself is a big problem.
>> Mirror aside. Or locked up.
>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/pentax67ii.shtml
>>
>> But with no mirror lock up it's a paper weight landscape wise
>>
>> And the most bang for the buck of any optics system ever.
>> Just about any lens cost a couple hundred bucks.
>>
>> Still if you put two 24x30 inch prints side by side one with the 
>> Pentax 6x7
>> and cheap but "sharp" monster Takumar and one with a Hasselblad square
>> format Zeiss optics..
>> And cropped the same so they look the same
>> That means the Hassy shot is cropped so it might just as well have 
>> been 645.
>> And you'd shot slow film. Or medium speed.
>>
>> I bet the Hassy shot would look better. Even at its slightly higher
>> magnification.
>>
>> Lets see. With the 6x7 a 24x30 would be a 10.5 magnification.
>> With the Hasselblad it would be about a 13.5 magnification.
>> Not much of a difference mag. wise.
>> I say the Hassy would win.
>> And sure does on a lot of other accounts, design wise unless you're 
>> hand
>> holding and wed to the 35mm configuration.
>
> I've seen a number of large Pentax 6x7 shots along with Hassy 6x6 
> shots side by side, both in rectangular format. Pentax lenses are 
> quite good enough that the extra area (over 50%) will win out, and are 
> a definite step up in detail and tonality.
>
> Of course, if you crop to square they would be on equal footing...
>
> If it weren't for that damn mirror and shutter, I would have gotten 
> one years ago. As it is, you are best off handholding it, as that 
> dampens the shocks better than most tripods. I've tried a 6x7 on my 
> Gitzo 509 unextended with Sinar head, and with a 300 it was still not 
> enough in the critical speed ranges. I'm never going to carry a tripod 
> bigger than _that_.

I have and use a 67II - when the shutter fires I can feel the body 
torque in my hands.  But the big negative is fantastic; the eye relief 
is great for me and my eyeglasses; the image is right side up and not 
reversed; the metering is matrix or spot or centerweighted...and as 
Mark says the glass isn't stupid expensive and as you say the glass is 
pretty darn good.  I like mine.

CZ
NC


In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] (was Coenen) now: buying Leica new vs. used)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] (was Coenen) now: buying Leica new vs. used)