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Subject: [Leica] WAS: B.D., How Harsh You Are. NOW " JUST DO IT!"
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Sat Aug 13 16:08:52 2005
References: <DB8AA994F7DCAA478C487B62AA1C816A07E9436F@gsnmp02es.firmwide.corp.gs.com> <42FD1F09.6000803@adrenaline.com> <000b01c59faf$7675ec20$1ae76c18@ted>

Yeah, with digi stuff it's easy to futz and futz until the cows come
home.

I exited the Epson 2200 happy silent majority by seeking a decent print
(both color and B&W) on an affordable, archival alpha-cellulose paper.
There are some decent candidates from Moab, Premier and Innova, but
no  Quadtone RIP (B&W) profiles for these papers. So that's what got
me into futzing mode.

Maybe I'll give up and just print on a few tried and true cotton papers
(HPR, VFA, etc. at a pricey $2-3/13x19 sheet)  and call it a day, thus
reentering the 2200 happy silent majority :-) We'll see.

To otherwise simplify my photo life, though, I have decided to
shoot only with a ~50mm lens (or 35mm prime on the D70) for the
next few months. Lighten the bag, open the eyes. Kind of a shooting
high colonic or something for me.

Scott

Ted Grant wrote:

> Scott McLoughlin offered:
>
>
>> Of course, I imagine there's a giant "silent majority" of Epson users
>> easily and happily cranking out prints on EEM, VFA, Premium
>> SemiGloss and the like.<<<<,
>
>
> Hi Scott,
> Well one thing I've been since the beginning of my playing fun time 
> with digital cameras and printing and that's always been .... "KISS!"  
> keep it simple stupid and it works beautifully. Right out of the box, 
> plug in and do sort of what I says, click "shoot or print" and it 
> works.. :-)
>
> I think what happens with some folks is, they read way too much, 
> fiddle way too much, listen to too many people too much. Instead of 
> doing their own thing and making it work to their own satisfaction, 
> without changing inks, software and all the other fixin's and they 
> still never get it right.
>
> If there wasn't any internet each and all would learn by doing, not by 
> listening to the opinions of others. Or their experience which quite 
> often isn't as great as another might think when they see the results.
>
> Yep some folks do incredible work, just like taking pictures, some 
> have a natural talent to see and click! Others fuss till death do them 
> part and never get it right for the same reason,  reading and trying 
> too many things instead of learning how to make one element work 
> perfectly.  Then move on.
>
> Sure I didn't learn wet tray printing in a few days or months, better 
> still years! ;-) But time did make a major difference and I learned by 
> doing, not talking about it, besides 55 years ago it was all a big 
> trade secret about photography because those who knew did not want 
> others to learn. Why? Because they might take away their customers if 
> they did! So you damn well learned on your own.
>
> But life was simple in those days and you learned by doing, not 
> reading off a screen, both have their place though. :-)
>
> ted
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Francis, Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Seconded (I have the HP 7960 it is wonderful) - so are the new 
>>> Canons (i9900
>>> for example) - it seems that the only company not capable of producing
>>> consistent colour without calibration, RIPs etc is Epson... Perhaps 
>>> I'm not
>>> picky enough ... I have a 1280 that I converted to B&W, but I get so 
>>> many
>>> clogged heads I pretty much gave up. Both the Canon and the HP 
>>> worked out of
>>> the box and continue to work week after week.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+michael.francis=gs.com@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+michael.francis=gs.com@leica-users.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of B.
>>> D. Colen
>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:58 AM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] B.D., How Harsh You Are
>>>
>>> Rip schnip - the HP printers produce perfect and white without any 
>>> rips or
>>> weird adjustments necessary. Just prep the image, push the button, and
>>> print. And now they, too, have a 13x19 printer for $500.
>>>
>>> On 8/11/05 9:05 PM, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@kairosphoto.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can get the QuadtoneRIP for the R800 (and many other epson 
>>>> printers) which will do a really good job of B&W printing
>>>>
>>>> again a bit of a learning curve (have to convert your greyscale 
>>>> images to a special profile for best results),  and I find it 
>>>> generally works best on matte/rag type papers (I think for the R800 
>>>> it just has EEM profiles - which can be tweaked to work with most 
>>>> cotton rag type papers - and you can always try it with glossy...)
>>>>
>>>> http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
>>>>
>>>> Best of all it's free until you decide you like it enough to make a 
>>>> donation
>>>>
>>>> tim a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+tim=kairosphoto.com@leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+tim=kairosphoto.com@leica-users.org]On Behalf 
>>>>> Of Kenneth Frazier
>>>>> Sent: August 11, 2005 6:58 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] B.D., How Harsh You Are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> feli2@earthlink.net (feli) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My R800, which only has two shades of black, puts out some darn 
>>>>>> impressive RC quality prints
>>>>>>
>>>>> Which paper are you using for your b&w prints?  So far, my R800 is 
>>>>> a super performer, and I'm trying different papers until I find 
>>>>> the one I like best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> The Rev. Kenneth Frazier
>>>>> Norfield Congregational Church
>>>>> CT Conference, United Church of Christ Weston, CT  USA Leica 
>>>>> photos at: http://tinyurl.com/6sc2r
>>>>>
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