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Subject: [Leica] Re: Erwin Puts on the DM-R
From: msadat at gmail.com (mehrdad)
Date: Tue Aug 30 12:52:48 2005
References: <20050830143905.89789.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com> <4314B738.9040104@adrenaline.com>

yes he did, but he was talking  about "really good glass" designed for 
digital

On 8/30/05, Scott McLoughlin <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
> Didn't Puts have some other article claiming that digital
> was going to require really good glass?  Hmmmm.....
> 
> Bob Haight wrote:
> 
> >I'll jump in here on the Put's article. I thought it
> >interesting that he downplays lens quality with
> >digital due to what he says is enlargement without
> >distortion through software eliminating the need for
> >top quality lenses as was needed with film
> >enlargements. This is a critical point because Leica
> >is betting people will insist on using their glass
> >with digital. Erwin thinks this may not be the case.
> >An interesting read from Erwin, especially his pics
> >vis a vis the lenses used.
> >
> >--- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>It's raw, Scott. The current generation of Canons -
> >>20D, EOS MKII - etc. are
> >>incredibly impressive in terms of controlling noise.
> >>
> >>
> >>On 8/28/05 12:27 PM, "Scott McLoughlin"
> >><scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>If no noise-removal has been applied, that is on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>damn impressive
> >>
> >>
> >>>ISO3200 image.
> >>>
> >>>Scott
> >>>
> >>>B. D. Colen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Speaking of the narrowing gap....
> >>>>This image taken with the new full-frame Canon 5D
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>and posted as a raw at
> >>
> >>
> >>>>dpreview, was shot at 3200 iso...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >http://img.dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos5d_preview/img_0128-raw-rit.jpg
> >
> >
> >>>>The question isn't the DMR and Leica's survival,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>but with Canon pushing this
> >>
> >>
> >>>>out the door at about 3K, it's every other
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>company's ultimate survival....
> >>
> >>
> >>>>On 8/28/05 11:42 AM, "Steven A. Melnyk"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >><melnyk@msu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have just had a chance to review Erwin's
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>comments on the DM-R and
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>frankly I am not too surprised. The long-term
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>forecast for products
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>such as the DM--R is not good.  Why?  What we
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>have in the DM-R is an
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>example of a hybrid technology.  These products
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>and the technology
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>that they are based typically represent a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>stop-gap measure.  Examples
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>include the QBOF (the transition between the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>open hearth steel
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>furnace and the Basic Oxygen Furnace), the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>bias-ply radial, and the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>steamship with sails.  In each case, the product
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>thrived for a short
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>period of time but ultimately they fail.  They
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>are replaced by
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>superior products and superior technology.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In spite of how much we enjoy Leicas, their
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>lenses and their
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>products, the reality is that for most
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>photographers, the future is
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>digital,  With new advances coming out as
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>quickly as they have been,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>increasingly the quality gap between film and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>digital is rapidly
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>closing.  I have a number of Leicas (M5, M6 TTL,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>M7, R9).  Yet, I no
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>longer use them as often. Whenever I go out, I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>find myself reaching
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>for my Canon 20D or my Nikon D2H.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Frankly, I am not too optimistic about the DM-R.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> It is simply far
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>too little, too late, and too expense. My two
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>cents worth.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>Steven A. Melnyk
> >>>>>Department of Marketing & Supply Chain
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>Management
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>Michigan State University
> >>>>>melnyk@msu.edu
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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  regards, mehrdad


In reply to: Message from rhaightjr at yahoo.com (Bob Haight) ([Leica] Re: Erwin Puts on the DM-R)
Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) ([Leica] Re: Erwin Puts on the DM-R)