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Subject: [Leica] DMR at 1600 iso
From: bdcolen at comcast.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Fri Sep 30 12:29:52 2005

My take on looking at the two, Robert - and blowing them up 400% - was that
the DMR image was much more accurate in terms of the color (and obviously
I'm guessing on that) while the Leica was much noisier.

I find noise more important than color accuracy, but of course 95 times out
of 100 I'm converting to black and white. But even if I wasn't, color
accuracy is damn easy to adjust in PS, and while there are ways to eliminate
noise, all involve losing detail.

In terms of the photo of your son, it has virtually no shadow areas in it,
so it's likely to print quite well, without the noise being intrusive. But
as I look at it on the monitor, it sure looks "grainy" in the background.

But when all is said and done, the DMR color accuracy is impressive.


On 9/30/05 2:23 PM, "Robert Stevens" <leica@robsteve.com> wrote:

> I just did a bit more work on the same two files.
> 
> I opened them both with the Adobe Camera Raw, but for the Leica one,
> I adjusted up the noise reduction and luminance smoothing
> sliders.  The Canon camera has a much more capable processor and a
> lot of this is done in camera.
> 
> I cropped the files to show the dark shadow under the furnace.  I
> also down sized the Leica crop, so it was about the same width as the
> Canon file.  B.D. is correct that the Canon has much less noise, as
> shown by the examples below.   Look at the tool marks on the brass
> fitting.  The Leica seems to have the edge here.
> 
> http://www.robsteve.com/DMR/CanLeica1600.jpg
> 
> 
>   Isn't the over all quality of the finished print more important
> than the noise we can see on our monitors?  With people and and
> within the limits of the DMR, I think the DMR makes the better
> print.  I have a 5x7 print of my son from the 1600 iso shot and it
> looks no different than a print from 400 speed film.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> At 02:52 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote:
> 
>> Robert Stevens wrote:
>> 
>>> I just posted using the camera file names.  The one starting with a
>>> "L" is the Leica.  It was the second file on my original post.
>>> 
>>> Here is the Leica:
>>> 
>>> http://www.robsteve.com/DMR/L%201020850.jpg
>>> 
>>> Here is the Canon.
>>> 
>>> http://www.robsteve.com/DMR/KX5T7819.jpg
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> I am red-faced.  I picked the better shot, but attributed it to the
>> wrong Camera!
>> 
>> Robert, I am VERY impressed!  Thanks for doing this... it has been
>> very illuminating!
>> 
>> For me, however, it's "open mouth  -  insert foot  - chew vigorously!"
>> 
>> 
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