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Subject: [Leica] OT: photographer jailed in Texas without cause
From: ricc at mindspring.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Thu Nov 3 13:22:20 2005
References: <f11354f169c3.f169c3f11354@planet.nl> <6.2.1.2.2.20051103120354.01e20a08@pop.med.cornell.edu> <4cfa589b0511031053y30d8994et9b2062e1b7964d09@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20051103143904.00c8aa30@pop.med.cornell.edu>

Government by divine right. Coming soon-Jeb Bush for prez.

Ric



On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Chris Saganich wrote:

> Political = exploitation.  Exploitation of fear is political in so  
> far that politicians do it, but it more appropriately speaks to the  
> defining of those that are "good" and those which are "Bad" in  
> society so that the leaders can create the illusion of consensus in  
> their favor.  What most educated people fail to see is that  is  
> that when "good" and "Bad" are defined by those  in power your  
> ability to stay on the "good" side is chained to your ability to  
> rationalize the actions of those in power.  If you are unable to do  
> so you become an enemy of the State and killed by the secret police  
> in the worst case or in our case an enemy of Democracy.  
> Disagreement is a sign of diversity which is used by a community to  
> improve knowledge.  If disagreement becomes treason your enemy  
> becomes clear...anyone.
>
> The U.S. is heading down a dangerous road.  Last time WWII  
> intervened and we emerged as a social democratic nation that ruled  
> the world.  That time has passed.  The current administration seems  
> to like the following:
>
> A cult of tradition based on the literal interpretation of the Bible.
>
> Rejection of modernism, replaced with the ideology of the personal  
> attainment of wealth forgetting about everyone else.  Why should  
> you care if your neighbors kids can't afford college, it isn't your  
> problem.
>
> Thinking as a form of emasculation unless your attacking modern  
> culture or the liberal intelligentsia for betraying "traditional  
> values."
>
> Reacting to disagreement as "undemocratic" or "unAmerican"
>
> The concept of "final solutions" and "permanent warfare".  "If only  
> we can rid the world of these evil doers there would be paradise."   
> This is by far the most disgusting and putrid trend.
>
> Aristocratic and militaristic elitism which implies contempt for  
> the weak and poor.  NO anyone?
>
> Machismo attitudes which include intolerance and condemnation of  
> nonstandard sexual habits from chastity to homosexuality... and  
> gunplay as an ersatz phallic exercise.  or chain saw perhaps.
>
> Redefining or limiting language (to the public) in order to limit  
> the ability to critically reason and thus making rationalization  
> of  "action without reflection" easy for the intellectuals.
>
> I find these trends rather disturbing and such a collection hasn't  
> been seen in one place for quite awhile.  The problem is we are  
> waiting for someone in the administration to announce their going  
> to re-open Auschwitz, in the mean time people go to jail for using  
> a camera in public.
>
> "at least the system worked"? who is kidding who.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 01:53 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>> It's a political exploitation of people's fears, already well-stoked,
>> about child sex abuse and pedaphilia in general. Of course there  
>> seems
>> to be 100% overlap between those who demand such laws and those who
>> put their children into 5 year old beauty pagents and who don't see
>> that the overlap between products is part of the problem. Shuddering.
>>
>> I take your point but think it's a vast over-statement although your
>> argument, at its core, is probably sound.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On 11/3/05, Chris Saganich <chs2018@med.cornell.edu> wrote:
>> > The fact such a law can be passed is frightening.  I suspect  
>> thinking is a
>> > form of emasculation in Texas while playing with guns and the  
>> Law has
>> > become an ersatz phallic exercise in response to the  
>> irrationality of a
>> > permanent war and the need to create an "adequate" internal  
>> enemy.  Not to
>> > worry we will neatly define that enemy and put'em all in jail.   
>> It is
>> > unfortunate that Public Photography seems to fit the  
>> definition.  I hope it
>> > doesn't stick.
>> >
>> > CS
>> >
>> >
>> > At 11:04 AM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>> > >You got it...
>> > >
>> > >Although everyone in NL has legal insurance, so the US is not  
>> the only
>> > >litigious country. It is particularly useful if you want to  
>> take legal
>> > >action against your employer, a frequent occurrence here.
>> > >
>> > >Nathan
>> > >
>> > >Nathan Wajsman
>> > >Almere, Netherlands
>> > >http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> > >http://www.fotosevilla.com
>> > >Print sales: http://www.photodeluge.com
>> > >Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp? 
>> qt=wajsman
>> > >
>> > >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>> > >Van: SonC@aol.com
>> > >Datum: donderdag, november 3, 2005 2:04 pm
>> > >Onderwerp: Re: [Leica] OT: photographer jailed in Texas without  
>> cause
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:59:48 A.M. Central Standard  
>> Time,
>> > > > aaron.sandler@duke.edu writes:
>> > > >
>> > > > Typical Europeans...always suing at the drop of a  
>> hat.  ;)   ;)  ;)
>> > > > ;)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Yeah, he  learned it in Florida!  ;-)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >Unfortunate and unpleasant as the incident must have been  
>> for  the
>> > > > >photographer, at least the system did work: the prosecutor  
>> had  more
>> > > > >sense than the cops and threw out the case.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I will  not be surprised if some money changes hands  
>> between the
>> > > > state>and the  photographer as a result of this--after all,  
>> he does
>> > > > have a
>> > > > >lawyer ;-)  I certainly would sue if I were him.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > > Sonny
>> > > > http://www.sonc.com
>> > > > Natchitoches, Louisiana
>> > > > Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
>> > > > ?galit?, libert?,  crawfish
>> > > >
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>> > Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
>> > Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>> > New York Presbyterian Hospital
>> >
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> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>
> Ph. 212.746.6964
> Fax. 212.746.4800
> A0049
>
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