Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You haven't offended me in the least - you've simply demonstrated that you know nothing about how news is reported. On 1/4/06 4:12 PM, "mcyclwritr@comcast.net" <mcyclwritr@comcast.net> wrote: > Catch a breath, B.D. Here...just below, you'll note that I did say one > would > be tempted to believe the governor. So, I did cut Craig's paper some slack. > Does that excuse the NYT from not confirming? I suppose, if you want to > hold > the NYT to the same standards as The News & Observer (Raleigh-Durham), go > with > it. > > My apologies for egregiously offending you. > > -Chris Lawson > > >> True, one would be tempted to accept what the state's governor said as >> truth >> regarding the matter. While the first-edition stories were incorrect, >> nonetheless, that would seem to make the story less wantonly sloppy. >> >> Do note, however, that the mining company's spokesman did NOT proclaim >> there >> were survivors. Nope. >> >> -Chris Lawson > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@comcast.net> >> No, not "less wantonly sloppy " - not at all sloppy. >> I, for one, am still waiting to hear about your new career as a press >> critic, and the experience upon which it's based. >> >> And while we're speaking of "wantonly sloppy," and lack of accuracy, I >> wonder when we can expect to hear to see your correction- 'Oh, the >> Governor >> the state announced it? Guess I was wrong when I said the Times was >> irresponsible in reporting it." >> >> >> On 1/4/06 3:29 PM, "mcyclwritr@comcast.net" <mcyclwritr@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Craig's newpaper reported: >>> >>> "The story we published, from the Associated Press, quoted the governor >>> of >>> West Virginia and a high-level state official, both on the record, >>> saying 12 >>> miners were alive and being examined. Relatives were celebrating and >>> singing >>> hymns. The story noted that the mine owner, International Coal Group >>> Inc., >>> had >>> not confirmed that the miners were alive. But neither had company >>> officials >>> done anything to contradict the reports - and it appears they took >>> several >>> hours to set the record straight." >>> >>> True, one would be tempted to accept what the state's governor said as >>> truth >>> regarding the matter. While the first-edition stories were incorrect, >>> nonetheless, that would seem to make the story less wantonly sloppy. >>> >>> Do note, however, that the mining company's spokesman did NOT proclaim >>> there >>> were survivors. Nope. >>> >>> -Chris Lawson >>> >>> >>> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >>> From: Craig Zeni <clzeni@mindspring.com> >>>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2006, at 1:54 PM, mcyclwritr@comcast.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> This exactly the sort of NYT apologist retort I anticipated. That's >>>>> why my original post included a whiff of Basic Reporting 101, which, >>>>> predictably, is missing from your reply. >>>>> >>>>> How do you know what the "mining company told family members and >>>>> others?" Was it broadcast on TV? Did you see actual, talking-head >>>>> footage? Did that talking head say to the effect of "It has been >>>>> confirmed that rescuers have reached 12 surviving miners?" If so, I >>>>> defer to you. I didn't see it. Further, who is a "mining company?" How >>>>> can a company speak? It speaks through a spokesman. Who is that >>>>> person? What, exactly, did he say? Report it, wrapped it in quotation >>>>> marks. >>>>> >>>>> And that's just part of why this particular misreporting debacle is so >>>>> embarrassing. Nobody from the wire service or any other reporting >>>>> agency took the time CONFIRM a damn thing. Not one damn thing. See the >>>>> difference? Spreading rumors and miscommunication versus factual, >>>>> substantiated reporting. >>>>> >>>>> Don't settle for sloppy reporting. Demand facts. Get information from >>>>> numerous sources, whether you're the reporter or the reader. >>>> >>>> I believe that you're incorrect. >>>> >>>> From our local newspaper, read this: http://tinyurl.com/7sggw - "The >>>> story we published, from the Associated Press, quoted the governor of >>>> West Virginia and a high-level state official, both on the record, >>>> saying 12 miners were alive and being examined." >>>> >>>> Still convinced it's sloppy? Only if you think that it's irresponsible >>>> and sloppy to actually trust an on-the-record quote from the governor >>>> of the state. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information