Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/03/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Exactly. Noone says it's *easy* to manufacture quality goods. In fact, it's damned hard. And no one said that making high quality goods is the best way to make a buck either. Scott Bill Smith wrote: >If the Chinese ever approach the quality that the Japanese have, I'll be >most surprised. Not withstanding their complete penchant for exploiting >each other w/o honor or apology, it is a national habit to build it cheap >or screw the customer any way you can and to hell w/ repeat sales. This >opinion will probably be damned as rascist but comes from a great of >contact--both personal and business in the USA w/ Chinese businesspeople. > >Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@gmx.de> wrote: Don, >let's face it, the number of people forced to remain at a lower level of >education was, not so long ago, pretty unimportant. There was always the >job at the local mill, factory or in agriculture. What we are facing >today is the backlash of the classic denial of an appropriate education >to certain classes, races, ethnic groups and women for what ever reason >a government or a religion felt fit. The menial worker is now hardly in >demand, or this work is carried out by immigrants, women, imported cheap >or illegal labour or "exported" manufacturing facilities in low wage >countries. >To take this further, the Chinese have already started making inroads >into classical European industrial sectors, and have already bought >several companies in what was previously the GDR. This development will >continue in the same way as Mittal's (Indian steel magnate) successful >campaign to control and own the iron and steel industry. >Technology transfer to China is now a big thing, and also a prerequiste >clause in just about any export or services contract made with Chinese >concerns (this happened to Transrapid Mag-Lev, Siemens, VW and others). >And what was the real revolution in China after Mao? >You got it - educating the masses - this went so far that there is now a >campaign in China to get people back into agriculture before the food >supply situation collapses - add to this the Chinese love of taking >financial risks (betting and stockbroking are the biggest games in HK) >and probably, within the next 10 years, China will be the leading world >economy and the owner of many traditional western companies. >The plan of gradually loosening the totalitarian hold on development >will eventually be followed, when the government sees fit, with the >reinstatement of human rights for all, which if granted before the >economic consolidation of this immense country could easily lead to >civil war. IMO, it's hard but it's the only way they can see, and it >fits in with thousands of years of years of feudal culture and mentality >going back to the Mandarins and further. >If your kids are still young, let them learn Chinese - they'll soon need >it.. > >Don Dory wrote: > > > >>Jeffery, >>Ah, but it is not just manufacturing. We will all be the better off with >>more smart people coming up with another way of looking at the world. Mass >>communication, mass manufacturing, world wide standards, much better >>standard of living. Of course, if you live in the western world and do not >>have the capacity to become a creator, knowledge worker, and do not have >>interpersonal skills to interact with your peers then your life will be >>pretty miserable as the manufacturing jobs that require dedication, showing >>up, and the ability to follow instructions have all migrated to someplace >>else. >> >>I can see large swaths of the western world working the tourism market just >>as Bermuda does. They need some productive jobs for people who can not >>succeed in banking, communications, shipping, or insurance. >> >>Don >>don.dory@gmail.com >> >> >>On 3/18/06, Jeffery Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>China is making electric guitars better than they were made 40 years ago >>>and >>>for about the same price as electric guitars 30 years ago. Computer >>>automated machine tool technology is a great equalizer these days. For us, >>>it means quality stuff at rock bottom prices. Unfortunately, it also means >>>that products made in the USA are just too expensive to buy for their >>>mediocre quality. >>> >>>You're right. The western world comes up with innovative products and >>>ideas, >>>and the eastern world makes them better for the price than we do. >>> >>>Jeffery Smith >>>New Orleans, LA >>>http://www.400tx.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org >>>[mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of >>>Douglas >>>Sharp >>>Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 5:56 PM >>>To: Leica Users Group >>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Olympus DSLR >>> >>> >>>If anyone is going to Photokina this year, take a look around the >>>Chinese booths - at the last show they were VERY impressive - I get the >>>impression that people are already starting to knock China just like >>>they did with Japan so many years ago, and we all know what happened to >>>the European camera industry.. >>>The same will happen again - Western (and eastern) industry and >>>technology beware!! China starts by copying or building to order - will >>>improve quickly - put in their own(and "borrowed") ideas, then they'll >>>suddenly be better than the rest. Things are happening very fast in >>>China. What India has become in the IT and services segment is where >>>China is heading in electronics and manufacturing. >>>Douglas >>> >>>Joseph Low wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi BD >>>> >>>>As I recall - Leica sent their crew to handle QC and the >>>>finished items were re qualified >>>>by Wetzlar - I do not think this is the case with China >>>>made cameras for the masses >>>> >>>>Further - the infrastructure support is also China based >>>> >>>>Joseph >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org >>>>[mailto:lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org]On Behalf Of >>>>B. D. Colen >>>>Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:30 PM >>>>To: Leica Users Group >>>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Olympus DSLR >>>> >>>>It means that it's less expensive for Olympus and other manufacturers >>>>to have some equipment manufactured in China, just as it was less >>>>expensive for Leica to manufacture some items in...gasp!...Portugal. >>>>:-) You haven't discovered some dark secret here, btw...Olympus >>>>announced this a year or two ago. ___ >>>>Sent with SnapperMail >>>>www.snappermail.com >>>> >>>>...... Original Message ....... >>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:17:03 +0800 "Joseph Low" >>>>wrote: >>>>"I was in Japan this week and took time off to recce local photo stores >>>>- this was a large one near to Osaka train station " >>>>"I was surprised to note that one popular Olympus DSLR model was labelled >>>>as Made In China >>>>" >>>>"I am aware of and know that a good range of Olympus P&S digital cameras >>>>are made by an OEM factory in Indonesia >>>>" >>>>"What does this mean for traditional and trusted Japanese >>>>"quality? >>>>" >>>>"Joseph Low >>>>" >>>>"_______________________________________________ >>>>"Leica Users Group. >>>>"See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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