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Subject: [Leica] What's the Best All-Around 50?
From: faneuil at gmail.com (Eric Korenman)
Date: Sat May 13 05:50:55 2006
References: <7E898012-545D-4078-B2FF-8A799485CFEF@pandora.be> <C08A8E55.10843%bdcolen@comcast.net>

Given the crop factor, I think the question will soon be "What is the best
all around 35?" when we go bananas over the digital M.

Eric


On 5/12/06, B. D. Colen <bdcolen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Absolutely.
>
>
> On 5/12/06 6:47 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:
>
> > So, if I understand this correctly, in the past image manipulation
> > was better accepted?
> >
> >
> > Op 13-mei-06, om 00:06 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
> >
> >> No, their weren't. It's wild to go through picture libraries at
> >> places such
> >> as the Wash Post or Nyt and see what the "art" department did
> >> photos. But
> >> with the advent of digital, and the realization of how radically, and
> >> easily, reality can be altered, standard have become much more
> >> stringent.
> >>
> >> ...... Original Message .......
> >> On Fri, 12 May 2006 23:48:37 +0200 Philippe Orlent
> >> <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>> Every photographer should have been at least once in his life in a
> >>> real darkroom, even if only to look at somebody else doing
> >>> everything. I agree with you completely, B.D.
> >>> But I wonder, since not having it lived consciously myself, were
> >>> there similar discussions about truth -with even simple darkroom
> >>> techniques such as dodging and burning- back then, too?
> >>> If applied masterfully, they can change the content or perception of
> >>> a photograph as thoroughly as PS does nowadays.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Op 12-mei-06, om 23:28 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
> >>>
> >>>> It doesn't just apply to journalism though - it's beginning to be a
> >>>> lost
> >>>> reference point for all photography. The average kid today may
> >>>> never have
> >>>> been in a darkroom. Think about it - what the hell do "burn" and
> >>>> "dodge"
> >>>> mean - on the PS tools - if you've never done real darkroom
> >>>> work? :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/12/06 1:38 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I agree. If it's about journalism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:34 heeft B. D. Colen het volgende geschreven:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You think you're joking, Philippe - just a couple of hours ago
> >>>>>> I was
> >>>>>> skimming a column in a national press photographer's association
> >>>>>> magazine in
> >>>>>> which a photography teacher at, as I recall, the University of
> >>>>>> Arkansas said
> >>>>>> that they are now two years past the last class of graduates to
> >>>>>> have ever
> >>>>>> spent time in a real darkroom. And that, he said, begins to raise
> >>>>>> havoc with
> >>>>>> what has been the standard ethical guideline regarding the use of
> >>>>>> photoshop
> >>>>>> - only do to the image in photoshop what you would normally have
> >>>>>> done in a
> >>>>>> darkroom; or only except from a photoshopped image what you would
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> accepted from the darkroom. But if today's photographers think a
> >>>>>> darkroom is
> >>>>>> their bedroom with the lights off....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/12/06 1:11 PM, "Philippe Orlent" <philippe.orlent@pandora.be>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dodging? That's the 7th down from the 2nd row of 'tools', right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just adding a ;-) to be sure.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Op 12-mei-06, om 19:05 heeft Rei Shinozuka het volgende
> >>>>>>> geschreven:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> it's a very handsome photo otherwise, maybe dodging the
> >>>>>>>> surrounding
> >>>>>>>> areas would rescue the image.  (doesn't the phrase "dodging"
> >>>>>>>> today sound almost quaint?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> i have noticed that something approaching 100% of real-life "bad
> >>>>>>>> bokeh"
> >>>>>>>> examples are of vegetation; mostly tree branches or leaves.  so
> >>>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>>> those bad bokesters away from wildlife!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -rei
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/12/06 12:39 PM, "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well Daniel, with such subject matter one can tolerate many
> >>>>>>>>>> things...but
> >>>>>>>>>> that bokeh is indeed not very attractive.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nathan
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel Ridings wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people puke at my Rolleicord's bokeh (under certain
> >>>>>>>>>>> circumstances ... close focus, pretty much wide-open).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dlridings.se/gallery/v/informal/
> >>>>>>>>>>> v15-0002-43264.jpg.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
> >>>>>>>> Ridgewood, New Jersey
> >>>>>>>>
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