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Subject: [Leica] Another famous photographer went
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Mon Aug 21 16:15:08 2006
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Faked it

G Hopkinson wrote:

>B.D. I have read the several posts with great interest, and now have the
>facts straight on this one. Importantly, as you noted, I wasn't deriding
>either Rosenthal's work nor the bona fides of the participants.
>What the posts tell me is that the image of the second flag raising rightly
>became a very powerful image in support of the just cause.
>
>Does anyone care to contribute regarding the Capa images that I mentioned?
>I shall try to locate the reference to post for the story regarding the
>damage to his D Day images. Also, I would be interested in any comments
>regarding the Gen McArthur coming ashore reference.
>
>Cheers
>Hoppy
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>Subject: Re: [Leica] Another famous photographer went
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>Of course as Rosenthal said at one point, if the famous photo had been
>"staged," he would have made damn sure that the five marines and one
>corpsman were looking at the camera, so that he could id them left to right
>and attach home towns...:-)
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>On 8/21/06 3:38 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
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>>I think Greg hit it right on the head and B.D. missed the boat a bit in
>>his earlier post. It's been so long since I did any marching all those
>>stories are foggy. And hell, I never marched that damned good any way. 8-)
>>
>>Walt.
>>
>>GREG LORENZO wrote:
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>>>>hoppyman@bigpond.net.au writes:
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>>>>Walt, regarding those particular fighting men, I seem to recall a
>>>>documentary saying that the famous photo was in fact a restaging of the
>>>>actual event, similar to Gen McArthur wading ashore more than once. I
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>see no
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>>>>cloned smoke clouds though!
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>>>Hoppy,
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>>>The famous photo is the second one made that day by Joe Rosenthal. The
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>flag
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>>>used in the original photo was deemed to be too small so a second, larger
>>>flag was obtained from an officer on a ship offshore for the 2nd iconic
>>>image. In that sense it was 'staged' but this was done to enable both the
>>>remaining Japanese and American marines fighting to secure the landing
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>strip
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>>>and remainder of the island to see that the US had taken Mt. Suribachi
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>before
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>>>they had in-fact 'secured it'.
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>>>Regards,
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>>>Greg
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