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Subject: [Leica] Alien Skin Exposure
From: len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Sun Dec 3 07:06:24 2006
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Philippe,

Very well put.

Len


On Dec 3, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Philippe Orlent wrote:

> OK.
>
> To clear some things out.
> I shoot both digital and analog, with a big preference for analog  
> because it makes me somewhat less just snapping away. Digital is  
> OK, but I use it differently.
> However, I adore using PS and other digital technology because for  
> me, it gives me more possibilities to get out of a shot what I  
> imagine(d) in my head. And that has very little to do with  
> 'technical' perfection.
> In other words, the main problem I have with digital is that the  
> image quality is getting too perfect. And if everything is perfect,  
> there is no difference any more. Pretty boring, IMO.
> Maybe that's a strange thing to hear, but coming for somebody who  
> only started with photography in the 80s, it maybe is not that  
> uncommon:
> I never had to crave for better quality as some of you might have  
> back in the 50s, 60s or 70s: the quality of film back in those days  
> was seen by some as limiting, and I understand that it must have  
> been frustrating not being able to capture something exactly as one  
> saw it. Hence probably the 'filtermania', postprocessing etc back  
> then.
> But for me, and looking at such photographs (or printed  
> representations) now, it was the era were photos were not  
> necesseraly technically perfect but had a lot more character and  
> charm. Take Ted's 'Men of the saddle' for instance: technically,  
> these photographs are somewhat dated. But qua content and picturing  
> quality, they still are top notch. I'd even say that the technical  
> 'flaws' in them (color rendition and print reproduction) enhance  
> the feeling of authenticity and quality they have.
> Same thing with traditional mechanical cameras (of which a pre-M7 M  
> is the ultimate result) and lenses: not perfect, but what character!
> Try to copy 'le baiser de l'h?tel de ville' with modern material  
> for instance. It's virtually impossible to get that softness and  
> tonal rendition right out of camera with today's cameras, lenses  
> and film.
> In short (and call me melancholic): I'm not looking for perfect,  
> I'm looking for imperfect. Because that very often makes a part of  
> the charm and personality of a photo. And, as a matter of fact, of  
> a lot of other things in life, too.
> So if I stumble upon a program that lets me recreate the imperfect  
> feel of films that do not exist any more, that makes me -as I  
> already said yesterday- very happy.
> Does that mean that I'm against the digital revolution of these  
> last years?
> Not at all, but I'm confronted and work with that in my  
> professional life every day.
> If I were a photo pro, I'd probably sing another song. But I'm not,  
> I'm an amateur. (Which BTW origins form the word 'aimer').
>
> Philippe
>
>
> Op 3-dec-06, om 07:03 heeft Henning Wulff het volgende geschreven:
>
>>> This is a photograph that I already showed exactly as below here.  
>>> I shot it on Fuji NPS160, with professional development, but had  
>>> it scanned commerially on low res: all flattened out.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y4o8pq
>>> or bigger:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/tbwgw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the same shot after I let Alien Skin (and some minor  
>>> additional PS alterations) have a go at the original scan today:
>>>
>>> as big as above:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y373rf
>>>
>>> !!! the big ones are in Adobe RGB !!!
>>>
>>> Isn't the 2nd one much more distinctive and doesn't it have a lot  
>>> more character? Or am I just overenthousiastic?
>>>
>>> Philippe
>>
>> Hi Philippe,
>>
>> The plug in just seems to increase contrast, throw a lot of the  
>> extended tonal range away and skew the colours to introduce a cast.
>>
>> This is usually what I fight to get rid of when scanning.
>>
>> Film, properly printed lets me get a huge tonal range and a good  
>> printer was always able to handle the colours properly. My scans,  
>> even with a fairly good scanner, are usually limited in comparison  
>> to projected slides or a good print.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but the first image, while not necessarily optimized,  
>> allows all sorts of interpretations, but the second looks like a  
>> poor scan. It is a 'film' look, but one that mimics something I  
>> try to avoid - not always successfully.
>>
>> -- 
>>    *            Henning J. Wulff
>>   /|\      Wulff Photography & Design
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>>
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