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Subject: [Leica] Math, now bwc41 at 800
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Sat Dec 9 07:57:53 2006
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061206152403.027b4508@infoave.net> <23C63C29-1E1D-43D6-A946-45C580F2326E@pandora.be> <4577300C.7000108@mcclary.net> <F04C2DAF-1C77-416C-ACC7-72A31E62F94F@pandora.be> <p0623090dc19e3edfaa21@10.1.16.133> <4578A515.7040506@waltjohnson.com> <p06230914c19eb640e40f@10.1.16.133> <45796BA5.1080109@waltjohnson.com> <C191A03E-177F-47CF-82F5-833737DBB103@cox.net> <45797B5B.4020903@waltjohnson.com> <82c9dd70612081532r8ad7e6eva845220b1787fc7@mail.gmail.com> <786B0F75-F130-4306-B3E3-EECC0A16C378@cox.net>

Steve

Might better ask if meters and shutters are accurate enough to make a 
difference. Don't know what kind of eye could readily spot 1/3 of a stop?

Steve Barbour wrote:

>
> On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:32 PM, Eric Korenman wrote:
>
>> TCN  does best at ISO 320.
>> It gets way too thin at ISO 800.
>> just 2 cents from shooting hundreds of rolls of the stuff.
>
>
>
> btw,  is the latitude of this film so narrow/sensitive that shooting  
> at ISO 320 rather than 400 makes a visible difference?
>
> thanks, Steve
>
>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On 12/8/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> It sounds as if you're going to underexpose by a stop. What result  are
>>> you looking for?
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>
>>> > Walt and others... have you shot C41bw 400, at 800 with normal
>>> > development?  Results?
>>> >
>>> > I see this now as advantageous, have never done it, but I plan to
>>> > try....
>>> >
>>> > thankjs, Steve
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 8, 2006, at 6:41 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I think I'll start shooting all my Tri-X at 666 ISO. BTW has  anyone
>>> >> noticed the change (years ago) from ASA to ISO appears useless?
>>> >>
>>> >> Henning Wulff wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>> Doesn't it have something to do with logging rhythms. in .3
>>> >>>> increments?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Henning Wulff wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> At 10:29 PM +0100 12/6/06, Philippe Orlent wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I was just remembering my ISO scale on the back of my MP:
>>> >>>>>> 50-100-200-400-800- etc.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> But the zones in between are divided in 3 parts.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> So between 50-100: 50/3=16,7
>>> >>>>>> Between: 100-200: 100/3=33,33, which would put 160 at 100
>>> and  2/3ds
>>> >>>>>> Two full stops under brings us at
>>> >>>>>> 400 and 2/3ds
>>> >>>>>> Which is 400 + (800-400)x2/3= 666,7
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I may be wrong, but it looks like Leica logics to me.
>>> >>>>>> :-)
>>> >>>>>> Philippe
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ISO is not continuous. It's only defined for the discrete
>>> >>>>> progression (from 100 to 3200) for 100, 125, 160, 200, 250,  320,
>>> >>>>> 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> No numbers in between, ie, there is not 'ISO 300' or 'ISO 666'.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ISO combines the old ASA and DIN scales, and makes the  measurement
>>> >>> methods and ratings equivalent. DIN was logarithmic while ASA was
>>> >>> arithmetic, with 400 ASA = 27DIN, 320 ASA = 26 DIN. For every  step
>>> >>> the ASA took an arithmetic step, and DIN took a logarithmic step.
>>> >>> Different measurement methods meant that there wasn't a complete
>>> >>> equivalency, but then they got together and came out with the ISO
>>> >>> method and scaling, which allows for both an arithmetic and
>>> >>> logarithmic scale. So now the old 400 ASA is approximately
>>> ISO  400/27.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Both systems jump in discrete, defined steps with intermediate
>>> >>> values undefined.
>>> >>>
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