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Subject: [Leica] Re:Hasselblad's newest.... Really not OT.....
From: faneuil at gmail.com (Eric Korenman)
Date: Sat Feb 24 04:26:57 2007
References: <010601c75698$5f5bd4e0$0a01a8c0@MacPhisto> <C20353D5.46174%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Yup - snapped up my 203FE, 50mm FE and 80 CFE years 2 years ago for a song.
And loving it..

Eric

On 2/22/07, Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> On 2/22/07 10:44 AM, "Christopher Williams" <leicachris@worldnet.att.net>
> typed:
>
> > They may be a little more than a niche player now as there are allot of
> > commercial/fashion photog's using the H system now. Some
> > backlash on the H3 though as it will only accept the digital Hassy backs 
> > 22mp
> > and 39mp.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
> A different use of the term "Niche" though less existential than Leicas.
> In the sense of Hasselblads its for high end commercial photography done 
> for
> catalogs and large display pieces. Often tethered using software which 
> makes
> for all your sheets and pillowcases and curtains all matching up in the end
> with little to no post processing. Instead of hundreds to thousands of
> dollars worth of post processing.
> Its large format digital photography. And of course can be used for fine 
> art
> photographers whole vision includes that level of quality. Or sized output.
>
> >From the Epson at Photokina IN Cologne booth Harold Cummer had grabbed and
> showed me a 13x19 black and white print on fine art matt paper taken with 
> an
> H3 which made me think I was wearing 3d platinum glasses. Knocked my socks
> off certainly blowing output from both APS-2 and 24x36 digital output right
> out the window. Much more that a film 35mm to medium format comparison.
>
>
> medium format film had been used by a lot of not so great wedding
> photographers  and shlock commercial photographers who really didn't need
> it. What they needed was square format. And they needed to be holding a
> Swedish built Hasselblad in their hands. An image thing.
> They are now shooting with DSLRs which gives people the idea that the
> quality on DSLRs "replaces" the quality you'd get with the film Hasselblad.
> And that's just nowhere near the case.
> These people were not having 20x24 inch prints made of their weddings with
> any persistence at all. They could have been shooting it with a Robot
> (square format camera) and a few shots of the bride and groom with slow 
> film
> if a very large print was part of the package. Otherwise they could be
> shooting the whole thing with 400 speed 35mm film.
>
> There's a blurring between medium format digital and large format digital 
> as
> the same backs are often used. And the sizes of the chips are so funny. The
> medium format backs are only recently coming vaguely close to full format
> which is not square medium format but 645. And large format backs for sheet
> film cameras have sensors about the size of medium format film from all I
> can tell.
>
> Right now the used market is flooded with Hasselblad gear going for a
> decimal point of its worth 5 years ago. And true worth now.
> Go  to your camera stores used glass case and pick up a Hasselblad body 
> with
> back and lens for the same price than just a body cost a couple a years 
> ago.
> Or half that. Backs are a hundred bucks instead of a thousand. (ok used vs.
> new) and the best deal of all is the Zeiss glass a reason for using
> Hasselblad in the first place even if you didn't need a modular camera.
> Those lenses are being given away free to every 4th person who walks up to
> the counter for the purchase of a Zeiss filter or lens cap.
>
> The best deal you've ever had in photography would probably be when you got
> into Hasselblad NOW. Before the impossible happens. Which of course its
> going to and soon. A consumer priced medium format digital back.
> Don't wait. Go now.
> You are loosing money every second you wait on that new used Hassy setup.
> I'd get a loan and get several backs and lenses. A spare body. Different
> prisms. I almost forgot about the cool Man from U.N.C.L.E. prisms.
> I think you can get a 20,000 dollar Hassy full typical set up for 5000.
> With some room for slight exaggeration. And the occasional impossible.
>
> As much as I love Leica with such a setup you will be photographically
> enabled to the very highest extent. Not a whole lot you're not going to be
> able to shoot. Film or digital.
>
>
> Scott Evil: It's no hassle...
> Dr. Evil: Shot it!
> Scott Evil: But...
> Dr. Evil: Been there. Shot it!
> Scott Evil: Would...
> Dr. Evil: Shot it! !... Knock-knock.
> Scott Evil: Who's there?
> Dr. Evil: Shot it! !
> Scott Evil: But...
> Dr. Evil: Let me tell you a little story about a man named Shot it! ! Shot
> it! ! even before you start. That was a pre-emptive " Shot it! " Now, I 
> have
> a whole bag of " Shot it! " with your name on it.
>
> Polly want a
> SHOT IT!
>
>
> Mark Rabiner
> New York, NY
>
> markrabiner.com
>
>
>
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In reply to: Message from leicachris at worldnet.att.net (Christopher Williams) ([Leica] Re:Hasselblad's newest.... Really not OT.....)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Re:Hasselblad's newest.... Really not OT.....)