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Subject: [Leica] M8
From: len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Sun Mar 4 21:17:25 2007
References: <030520070437.47.45EB9E93000421580000002F219791299503010CD2079C080C03BF970A9D9F9A0B9D09@mchsi.com>

Gene,

I shoot everything in aperture priority mode. When I put the flash on  
the M8 and turn the flash on, as soon as I press the shutter release  
half way the shutter speed adjusts to 1/250th, but the ISO is not  
displayed on the flash until I press the ISO button on the flash. I  
also have the M6TTL and the R8. On the M6TTL when I press the shutter  
release half way the ISO speed shows up on the flash LED screen, but  
with my R8 it does not. Acts like the M8. I don't have film in the R8  
but I set the ISO manually to 100. With the M8 and in my larger room  
and at ISO 160 I find that f5.6 is right on the edge and under  
exposes more then at f2.8 and f4.

Len


On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:37 PM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:

> Len,
>
> I also am shooting RAW on the M8.  I am getting shots improperly  
> exposed and others that are fine.  Almost like the TTL is not  
> working right.  If I stop down to f5.6 the shot is way under  
> exposed.  On my M6TTL and R8 I notice that when I press the shutter  
> release down the flash shows the film speed, but on the M8 it does  
> nothing.  I also noted that I have to turn the shutter dial out of  
> A and then back before the display shows the 250th shutter speed  
> for flash sync.  Do you use the flash in Aperture priority or turn  
> the dial to 250th second manual?  The manual seems really vague as  
> to how to set up the flash for use on the M8.
>
> As for the D200, the exposures seem about 1 to 2 stops under  
> exposed, sometimes more.  I never had problems before with the on  
> board flash, outside of the RED eye problems endemic with on camera  
> built in flash, and low flash strength.
>
> Gene
>
> -------------- Original message from Leonard Taupier  
> <len-1@comcast.net>: --------------
>
>
>> Gene,
>>
>> I find the SF24d gives me great results when I shoot RAW. When I
>> shoot jpg's, I get under exposure by at least 1 stop. I don't have a
>> SB600 but I do use my D200 with the built-in flash and the SB800. I
>> don't recall having a problem. What kind of problems?
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:34 PM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have an M8 and have tried the flash using the SF24D flash with
>>> somewhat mixed results. I am having the same problem with my D200
>>> using the SB600 flash. So I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or if
>>> flash with Digital is just a big guessing game.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from Kids Gruber
>>> : --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried the M8 and have they tried getting the ttl flash
>>>> sca 3052?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/4/07 5:38 PM, "Ric Carter" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't like cold weather, but I sure like your cold weather  
>>>>> photos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Robert Rose wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just came back from Yosemite and Moose Peterson's DLWS  
>>>>>> workshop,
>>>>>> and I
>>>>>> uploaded a few of the images I made with the M8:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rjrose/yose/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Included are several made with the 135, and one IR image. I hope
>>>>>> you like
>>>>>> them. I was there 5 days, and I shot the M8 on one day, and a D2X
>>>>>> the rest
>>>>>> of the time. It got down to 18 degrees one day, but rained on us
>>>>>> several
>>>>>> other days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some working impressions. Your results may vary:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. The M8 performed in rain and 18 degree weather without a
>>>>>> hitch. The
>>>>>> battery life was not a problem. We shot from 6-9 am and 3-6 pm. I
>>>>>> ran out a
>>>>>> 2GB card in each session, and the battery was still alive
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>> session. I used a fully charged battery for each session. I had
>>>>>> the review
>>>>>> on, and monitor brightness turned up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Dust is more of a problem than on the D2x. Maybe that is
>>>>>> because there
>>>>>> is a mirror to deflect dust on the DSLR. The brush from Active
>>>>>> Dust worked
>>>>>> to clean up the sensors each night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. The IR shot was manual color balanced using the ExpoDisk. The
>>>>>> ExpoDisk
>>>>>> (a white diffusion disk) works really well to get manual color
>>>>>> balance, but
>>>>>> works even better to spot dust problems after changing lenses. I
>>>>>> shot an
>>>>>> f/16 image with an ExpoDisk, and then it was easy to see whether
>>>>>> there were
>>>>>> any big goobers. The light changes constantly, so manual color
>>>>>> balance is
>>>>>> not useful for the color shots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Precise framing is impossible. So, for landscape work the
>>>>>> camera is a
>>>>>> challenge. You have to look on the monitor and retake the shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7. I have not printed anything yet on my 3800, but on the
>>>>>> monitor the
>>>>>> technical quality of the M8 beats or exceeds the D2x (no
>>>>>> surprise). The M8
>>>>>> has 10Mb compared to 12Mb, but with slightly larger pixels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 8. I am not sure if the larger pixel size helped with dynamic
>>>>>> range, but I
>>>>>> seemed to have less highlight blowout with the M8 compared to
>>>>>> the D2x.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9. MY KINGDOM FOR AN IR CUTOFF FILTER. My images which have
>>>>>> people in them
>>>>>> all show magenta caps, backpacks, etc. LEICA WHERE ARE YOU? You
>>>>>> promised
>>>>>> them February 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10. AN IR CUTOFF FILTER ruined my D2X wide shots. In a burst of
>>>>>> evil
>>>>>> genius, I found an IR cut-off that was 77mm, and put it on my
>>>>>> 17-55. All of
>>>>>> the shots at 17mm show magenta vignetting! While researching this
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> at the B&W web page, I found out that you can't use the filter
>>>>>> on wide
>>>>>> angles lenses. Go know. So, that is why the Leica lenses must be
>>>>>> coded,
>>>>>> and the new firmware installed to overcome this problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11. ND Grad filters are a challenge to use. You have to reshoot
>>>>>> using the
>>>>>> monitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11. The Leica M8, a Tri-Elmar, a 135, and maybe a 90 are all the
>>>>>> lenses you
>>>>>> need for landscape shots. It replaces a TON of DSLR grear if
>>>>>> precise
>>>>>> framing is not needed, or you are not using ND grad filters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's all for now!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Rose
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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