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Subject: [Leica] M8
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey@mchsi.com)
Date: Sun Mar 4 22:25:37 2007

I just checked mine, and it seems to work the same.  Good discussion and 
work through on this, thanks.

Gene

-------------- Original message from Leonard Taupier <len-1@comcast.net>: 
-------------- 


> Gene, 
> 
> I shoot everything in aperture priority mode. When I put the flash on 
> the M8 and turn the flash on, as soon as I press the shutter release 
> half way the shutter speed adjusts to 1/250th, but the ISO is not 
> displayed on the flash until I press the ISO button on the flash. I 
> also have the M6TTL and the R8. On the M6TTL when I press the shutter 
> release half way the ISO speed shows up on the flash LED screen, but 
> with my R8 it does not. Acts like the M8. I don't have film in the R8 
> but I set the ISO manually to 100. With the M8 and in my larger room 
> and at ISO 160 I find that f5.6 is right on the edge and under 
> exposes more then at f2.8 and f4. 
> 
> Len 
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:37 PM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote: 
> 
> > Len, 
> > 
> > I also am shooting RAW on the M8. I am getting shots improperly 
> > exposed and others that are fine. Almost like the TTL is not 
> > working right. If I stop down to f5.6 the shot is way under 
> > exposed. On my M6TTL and R8 I notice that when I press the shutter 
> > release down the flash shows the film speed, but on the M8 it does 
> > nothing. I also noted that I have to turn the shutter dial out of 
> > A and then back before the display shows the 250th shutter speed 
> > for flash sync. Do you use the flash in Aperture priority or turn 
> > the dial to 250th second manual? The manual seems really vague as 
> > to how to set up the flash for use on the M8. 
> > 
> > As for the D200, the exposures seem about 1 to 2 stops under 
> > exposed, sometimes more. I never had problems before with the on 
> > board flash, outside of the RED eye problems endemic with on camera 
> > built in flash, and low flash strength. 
> > 
> > Gene 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message from Leonard Taupier 
> > : -------------- 
> > 
> > 
> >> Gene, 
> >> 
> >> I find the SF24d gives me great results when I shoot RAW. When I 
> >> shoot jpg's, I get under exposure by at least 1 stop. I don't have a 
> >> SB600 but I do use my D200 with the built-in flash and the SB800. I 
> >> don't recall having a problem. What kind of problems? 
> >> 
> >> Len 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:34 PM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> I have an M8 and have tried the flash using the SF24D flash with 
> >>> somewhat mixed results. I am having the same problem with my D200 
> >>> using the SB600 flash. So I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or if 
> >>> flash with Digital is just a big guessing game. 
> >>> 
> >>> Gene 
> >>> 
> >>> -------------- Original message from Kids Gruber 
> >>> : -------------- 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Has anyone tried the M8 and have they tried getting the ttl flash 
> >>>> sca 3052? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 3/4/07 5:38 PM, "Ric Carter" wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I don't like cold weather, but I sure like your cold weather 
> >>>>> photos. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Ric 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Robert Rose wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> I just came back from Yosemite and Moose Peterson's DLWS 
> >>>>>> workshop, 
> >>>>>> and I 
> >>>>>> uploaded a few of the images I made with the M8: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rjrose/yose/ 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Included are several made with the 135, and one IR image. I hope 
> >>>>>> you like 
> >>>>>> them. I was there 5 days, and I shot the M8 on one day, and a D2X 
> >>>>>> the rest 
> >>>>>> of the time. It got down to 18 degrees one day, but rained on us 
> >>>>>> several 
> >>>>>> other days. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Some working impressions. Your results may vary: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 1. The M8 performed in rain and 18 degree weather without a 
> >>>>>> hitch. The 
> >>>>>> battery life was not a problem. We shot from 6-9 am and 3-6 pm. I 
> >>>>>> ran out a 
> >>>>>> 2GB card in each session, and the battery was still alive 
> >>>>>> through the 
> >>>>>> session. I used a fully charged battery for each session. I had 
> >>>>>> the review 
> >>>>>> on, and monitor brightness turned up. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 2. Dust is more of a problem than on the D2x. Maybe that is 
> >>>>>> because there 
> >>>>>> is a mirror to deflect dust on the DSLR. The brush from Active 
> >>>>>> Dust worked 
> >>>>>> to clean up the sensors each night. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 5. The IR shot was manual color balanced using the ExpoDisk. The 
> >>>>>> ExpoDisk 
> >>>>>> (a white diffusion disk) works really well to get manual color 
> >>>>>> balance, but 
> >>>>>> works even better to spot dust problems after changing lenses. I 
> >>>>>> shot an 
> >>>>>> f/16 image with an ExpoDisk, and then it was easy to see whether 
> >>>>>> there were 
> >>>>>> any big goobers. The light changes constantly, so manual color 
> >>>>>> balance is 
> >>>>>> not useful for the color shots. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 6. Precise framing is impossible. So, for landscape work the 
> >>>>>> camera is a 
> >>>>>> challenge. You have to look on the monitor and retake the shot. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 7. I have not printed anything yet on my 3800, but on the 
> >>>>>> monitor the 
> >>>>>> technical quality of the M8 beats or exceeds the D2x (no 
> >>>>>> surprise). The M8 
> >>>>>> has 10Mb compared to 12Mb, but with slightly larger pixels. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 8. I am not sure if the larger pixel size helped with dynamic 
> >>>>>> range, but I 
> >>>>>> seemed to have less highlight blowout with the M8 compared to 
> >>>>>> the D2x. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 9. MY KINGDOM FOR AN IR CUTOFF FILTER. My images which have 
> >>>>>> people in them 
> >>>>>> all show magenta caps, backpacks, etc. LEICA WHERE ARE YOU? You 
> >>>>>> promised 
> >>>>>> them February 7. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 10. AN IR CUTOFF FILTER ruined my D2X wide shots. In a burst of 
> >>>>>> evil 
> >>>>>> genius, I found an IR cut-off that was 77mm, and put it on my 
> >>>>>> 17-55. All of 
> >>>>>> the shots at 17mm show magenta vignetting! While researching this 
> >>>>>> problem 
> >>>>>> at the B&W web page, I found out that you can't use the filter 
> >>>>>> on wide 
> >>>>>> angles lenses. Go know. So, that is why the Leica lenses must be 
> >>>>>> coded, 
> >>>>>> and the new firmware installed to overcome this problem. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 11. ND Grad filters are a challenge to use. You have to reshoot 
> >>>>>> using the 
> >>>>>> monitor. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 11. The Leica M8, a Tri-Elmar, a 135, and maybe a 90 are all the 
> >>>>>> lenses you 
> >>>>>> need for landscape shots. It replaces a TON of DSLR grear if 
> >>>>>> precise 
> >>>>>> framing is not needed, or you are not using ND grad filters. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> That's all for now! 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Bob Rose 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
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