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Subject: [Leica] IMG Don's PAW Week 10 Las Vegas with no glitz
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey@mchsi.com)
Date: Wed Mar 14 18:39:56 2007

Actually 640 is not bad either.  The real key to high iso work with the M8 
is to use a low iso and use negative exposure compensation as Doug does on 
his DMR.  I think Tina has also gotten good results with this technique 
also.  I have tried it at iso 160 and -3 stops exposure compensation and it 
works very well, in the test shot I did, I could not see hardly any noise at 
all on my monitor.  Also with firmware 1.092 Leica has improved the noise at 
high iso somewhat.

Gene

-------------- Original message from "Don Dory" <don.dory@gmail.com>: 
-------------- 


> Luis, 
> Yes, the Kodak chip in the M8 is not especially clean at ISO's over 320. 
> It 
> doesn't especially bother me as I have just recently come from film and 
> grain over 400 is expected. However, if it offended me, there are some 
> pretty sophisticated programs that will eliminate the grain at a not very 
> large loss of sharpness. NIK software demonstrated some pretty wonderful 
> software that allowed a very large degree of control in sharpening and 
> reducing noise in a very good workflow. 
> 
> Thanks for commenting. If you purchased the M8 you would not find the 
> noise 
> a problem, the choice to keep or remove is there. 
> 
> On 3/14/07, Luis Ripoll wrote: 
> > 
> > Don, Your work is really excellent, I liked particularly one of your 
> > "specialities" the man sleeping in the airport. I think that when you 
> > have 
> > an M8 on your hands it is very probable you become enthousiastic 
> > shooting 
> > and shooting, the only point I'm surprised is when I enlarge at full 
> > size 
> > these pictures I see a lot of grain, well noise, even on your pictures 
> > at 
> > relatively low speed (ISO640), is this normal?. 
> > 
> > I'm sorry for my comment, I'm educated on a maybe too much 
> > classical...and 
> > ancient education, when I was a young man we shot usually at 18DIN 
> > (50ASA), 
> > when the 21DIN (100ASA) becomes more popular I still remember my father 
> > saying "this is 21 DIN"..., and 400 ASA (27DIN) was something 
> > extraordinary, 
> > I suppose that many old HCB and others was shoot with speeds between 
> > 50ASA 
> > and 100ASA, maybe with a digital camera - I have no experience - is too 
> > easy 
> > work at great speeds, maybe because we haven't any more the use to see 
> > the 
> > pictures enlarged on a darkroom at 24 x 30 cm or so...and we only see 
> > them 
> > on our monitors... 
> > 
> > I would appreciate your opinion, if one day I go to an M8, this aspect 
> > would 
> > be a certain handicap for me. 
> > 
> > Saludos cordiales 
> > Luis 
> > 
> > -----Mensaje original----- 
> > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org 
> > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre 
> > de 
> > Don Dory 
> > Enviado el: miércoles, 14 de marzo de 2007 2:26 
> > Para: Leica Users Group 
> > Asunto: [Leica] IMG Don's PAW Week 10 Las Vegas with no glitz 
> > 
> > Hi Gang, 
> > Last week was an interesting week as I spent the whole time in LV but 
> > really 
> > didn't find the city very interesting. Could be the security at the Wynn 
> > running me off. Anyway, let's start with the beginning of the trip in 
> > the 
> > airport. I found this kind soul sleeping through several flights coming 
> > and 
> > going out of this gate. It is a really long short story about why I 
> > spent 
> > so much time at this gate: 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10a.jpg.html 
> > 
> > This next one was from Zabrowski Point in Death Valley with really bad 
> > light. You do what you can. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10b.jpg.html 
> > 
> > Actually among the sand in Death Valley. If you ever go, make it to the 
> > sand at daybreak as the peoples tracks will really mess up your shots or 
> > you 
> > will have to walk a long way over loose sand to find a clean sandbox: 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10c.jpg.html 
> > 
> > This is the first decent light I had all day in Death Valley: 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10d.jpg.html 
> > 
> > What can I say, I like abstract designs. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10e.jpg.html 
> > 
> > This gent was overly optimistic. Chatting up a model when her shift 
> > doesn't 
> > end for five more hours. Trust me, her feet will hurt more than any 
> > desire 
> > for dinner or a drink. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10f.jpg.html 
> > 
> > This last one is a demonstration of why you should always have a camera. 
> > Medium escalator, notice a lot of commotion, look down, think it is an 
> > impersonator, realize it isn't, turn the camera on, jam a focus and 
> > click. 
> > 
> > 
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/DoryG/On-the-road/PAW+2007/PAW+Week+10/PAW+
> >  
> > week10g.jpg.html 
> > 
> > Enjoy the evidence of spring if you are Northern, and glory in the end 
> > of 
> > summer and the first twinges of fall in the South. The M8 is just the 
> > bomb, 
> > 700+ frames in a week when most of the time was training or seeing the 
> > 700+ next 
> > big thing. IR is a breeze. 
> > 
> > If the price is doable, get in line and get one. I've been on this list 
> > quite a while now and this is the first time I have been so enthusiastic 
> > about hard goods. I am sorry about the length of the PAW but it is such 
> > a 
> > blast. 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Don 
> > don.dory@gmail.com 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Don 
> don.dory@gmail.com 
> 
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