Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/04/08

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From: jsmith342 at cox.net (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Sun Apr 8 19:18:44 2007

Reminds me of a joke. A guy is giving a lecture and says "All M8 users are
assholes." A guy in the back jumps up and says "I resent that!". The
lecturer says "Are you an M8 owner?". The guy in the back says "No, I'm an
asshole."

Jeffery Smith
New Orleans, LA
http://www.400tx.com
http://400tx.blogspot.com/



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[mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Schneider
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:03 PM
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I'm not sure it is your opinion as much as your condescending attitude.
You're quite full of yourself.
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This is rich. I drop in to say what I know of the whereabouts and  
doings of B. D. Colen, a matter of great concern for some, it seems.  
Since a passive-aggressive joke (a favorite form on the internets)  
was uttered about B. D.'s attitude re: the M8, I also chose to echo  
his sentiments.

Not good enough. At least one of the local cranks (George  
Lottermoser) asked for the opinion to be expressed over my  
signature.  Done and done.

Then two other perennial cranks (Doug Herr) and (Greg Lorenzo) refuse  
to accept my OPINION on the assumption that I've never used an M8, an  
issue that truly is neither here nor there to the discussion.

Then YOU chime in saying that I'm the one with the condescending  
attitude.  Explain that one to me, please.

I expressed MY opinion on whether the M8 could possibly be a useful  
tool in my work.  I don't see how it possibly could be.  I expressed  
MY opinion that the M8 was released to the marketplace as a defective  
product, one that did not work as intended. That's not only an  
opinion, it's backed by fact.  If the M8 had been intended to produce  
pink photographs, Leica would have stated as much in their user's  
manual and would have stressed, from the start, the necessity of IR  
cut-off filtration.  Instead, they waffled on the subject, then said  
it was a "feature," then gave in to user and reviewer pressure to do  
SOMETHING to lessen the problem, since they refused to recall the  
cameras and install an effective IR filter on the sensor.

Tell me how using an M8 for extended period of time will convince me  
that it's files aren't pink-to-purple without filters on all my  
lenses, that the RAW files (with all of their color casts, cyan  
vignettes, etc.) will be quicker to process than the files from my  
Canon DSLRs, that a 1.3x sensor will give me the same angle of view  
as a full-frame sensor, and that the ISO 1600 and ISO 3200 files will  
be as clean as the ones I get from my Canons (oops, the M8 won't go  
above 1250).

But no, because I, too, chose to question the quality of the latest  
offering from the do-no-wrong gods of Solms, I'm ill-informed,  
condescending, and full of myself?

I'm sorry that my opinion and/or perceived attitude offends you so.   
But no one here has shown me a single piece of evidence to convince  
me otherwise with regard to the M8.  And very few of the regular "big  
shots" show much in the way of tolerance or acceptance of anyone  
outside of their little clique.

rs
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