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Subject: [Leica] Diafine rant (well, it's now a divided developer rant)
From: freakscene at weirdness.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Tue Jul 31 22:56:10 2007

Phil Swango asked:
My interest in Diafine is mainly that I do very little BW film these days 
and when I do I want something versatile, easy to use and long-lasting.

Diafine is pretty cool, but like most cool things it?s somewhat quirky.  
Diafine is a two-bath developer, containing a lot of phenidone, hydroquinone 
and bisulfite.  You put the film in the A bath for three minutes with gentle 
agitation, put the A bath back in its bottle and pour the B bath into the 
tank, leaving it for 3 minutes again with gentle agitation, then pour the B 
bath into its bottle, stop in plain water and fix.  Why the rigmarole?  It?s 
often claimed that the first bath merely soaks the film without any 
development, but there is more than enough sulfite in the A bath to raise 
the pH (make it alkaline) enough to start development.  You can show this by 
exposing a frame, developing in the A bath for 3 min and then stopping and 
fixing.  You don?t get much development, but it's a lot more than none.  The 
B bath contains an activator (alkali) that accelerates development and 
exhausts whatever developer is left in the emulsion.  The dense areas get 
exhausted first, and development continues in the thinner areas until the 
developer is all used up.  What this means in practical terms is:

It?s not very sensitive to time or temperature variation (within limits).

It has a profound compensating effect, so it works well for rolls of film 
shot in mixed, very contrasty lighting.

The highly active developers in it mean that many films gain speed (more on 
this below).

The separation of developer and activator and good slug of preservative 
means it lasts almost forever, or at least until it doesn't cover your film 
anymore (seriously).

Although the formula has never been published, I have listed an acceptable 
substitute below that acts almost indistinguishably from the commercially 
available product.  The A-bath contains about 35 g/L sulfite, about the same 
as D76 1+3.  The B-bath contains about 65 g/L.  I am of the school that 
thinks a little sulfite helps in a developer, but that a lot is probably 
bad.  Results from Diafine aren?t as sharp as from highly dilute solvent 
developers, but the compensating effect and the push it provides can be 
worthwhile.  The fact that the film is only in developer for 6 minutes 
altogether probably helps retain some sharpness.  Some say Diafine gives a 
?true? push, but sensitometry shows that it?s false economy- like all other 
pushes, the toe stays pretty much put, but the push does start further down 
the curve than for most one-bath developers.  For really savage pushes (TMZ 
at 12800, anyone?) DDX, T-Max or T-Max RS developers are probably still 
better choices.  In very contrasty scenes where EI 1250-2400 are necessary, 
Tri-X and Neopan 1600 behave very well in Diafine.  It?s pretty much 
unbeatable for night photography with Acros @ EI 100 and that combination 
seems very, very sharp.  I?ve also used it with TMY @ EI 160-200 for working 
in very contrasty direct Australian sunlight, where Pan F+ @ EI 80 also 
works well.

The chief disadvantage of most 2-bath developers is that you get only a 
single EI ? you cannot modify your exposure to change the contrast of a 
scene on the film ? all you get for adding or subtracting exposure is a 
similarly contrasted but too dense or too thin frame.  With a film developed 
in a regular developer, I tend to expose more in high-contrast scenes and 
less in low-contrast scenes.  This doesn?t work with Diafine, which is okay 
as long as you are willing to use it mainly when the light is very 
contrasty.  I wouldn?t recommend it as an all-the-time developer, for the 
simple reason that in anything lower than normal contrast, you get negs that 
are so flat it?s barely believable.  There aren?t any films that ameliorate 
this, although Pan F and Acros show more contrast than higher speed films.  
These aren?t very useful in dim, flat light (admittedly this is a somewhat 
rare condition) because of their slow speed.

Years ago, when I was first simplifying my systems and materials, I 
considered using only Kodak XX (B&W cine film, not the old Super-XX) and 
shooting it at EI250 and developing in Xtol 1+3 for normal scenes and 
shooting at EI640 and developing in Diafine for low-light, contrasty scenes. 
 I later settled on one developer (Xtol 1+3) and two (later three) films - 
Neopan 400 and 1600 (and later Acros ? although like Mark Rabiner, I find 
myself using very much less Neopan 400 since I started using Acros).

Steve Anchell?s "The Darkroom Cookbook" gives a "Diafine-type" formula:

Solution A:
Water at 125F/52C               750 ml
Sodium sulfite, anhydrous       35 grams
Hydroquinone                            6 grams
Phenidone                       0.2 grams
Sodium bisulfite                6 grams
Room temperature water to make  1.0 liter

Solution B:
Water at 125F/52C               750 ml
Sodium sulfite                  65 grams
Borax                           20 grams
Cold water to make              1.0 liter

Any temperature between 68F/20C and 80F/27C is acceptable, times do not 
have to be adjusted.
Soak in solution A for 3 minutes then move to solution B for 3 minutes.
Do not rinse in between A and B.
Do not use a presoak
Do not use an acid stop bath, use a 30 second to 1 minute water rinse 
after solution B.
An alkaline fixer is recommended but does not seem to be required.

Note: do not get any B bath in the A bath.  You will observe something very 
similar to the Xtol ?sudden death syndrome?.  The alkali will allow 
everything in the A bath to oxidise rapidly.  I also find that gentle 
agitation is more useful and provides better consistency than ?soaking? the 
film in each bath (stand development).  Definitely use a plain water stop.  
I?ve used both alkaline and ordinary fixers ? both seem to work.  Diafine 
and similar formulas are not, as sometimes claimed, ?panthermic? but they do 
tolerate a wide range of temperatures.  Above 25C you?ll observe more 
activity and under 20C you?ll see a marked decrease.  Its results are also 
not entirely uninfluenced by time, but less so than one-bath developers.  
You can keep recycling your Diafine for a long, long, long time.  I have 
tended to throw it out when the A bath gets to 50% its original volume, but 
it does not ever seem to die if looked after.  Results change with age ? 
probably due to bromide build-up and changes in sulfite / metabisulfite 
equilibrium.  There is a sweet spot in the middle that old-timers have told 
me can be maintained by replenishment, but I?ve never tried this.

If you like to use your camera in very contrasty light Diafine will save you 
some headaches, but I don?t think it is ?universal?.

I am going to mix and experiment with a few Diafine formulae and different 
films over the next few months, so stay tuned.

Other 2-bath developers

Cachet AB55 gets around the single EI problem by the A bath being mixable at 
half, ?normal? and double-strength and Cachet handily providing times for 
different CIs with a few films.  This is a good choice if you use a medium 
format camera with different backs and want some flexibility.  If I was 
going to put the effort in to work that way, however, I?d be using Xtol.  I 
can't find an approximation for this developer, but it's a phenidone HQ 
formula, so making one up shouldn't be too hard.

Tom A?s divided D76 formula is here: 
http://leica-users.org/v02/msg05860.html  Again, a really great developer.  
Tom?s times are too long for me, but he does say he likes ?bullet proof? 
negatives.  Dante Stella handily points out that the addition of 1 g of 
glycin to the A bath and 10 g of sodium carbonate to the B bath creates 
another handy push developer.

Johnny Deadman?s pseudo-divided D76 
http://leica-users.org/v10/msg07140.html 
and Xtol are described here:
http://leica-users.org/v13/msg12048.html as John said, surprisingly, it 
really works.  The main problem with these processes is that you need to 
monitor the activity of the A bath ? it?s just regular Xtol or D76, so it 
dies (in fact I think the Xtol is a one-shot only option from my limited 
experience).  As I mentioned in my Xtol rant, the development by-products of 
ascorbates are acidic development inhibitors ? this makes ascorbate a 
somewhat impractical component for a re-usable two-bath developer.  There is 
a two-bath developer described here: 
http://www.apug.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-30162.html that claims a life 
of a couple of months.  I haven't tried it.

Another Tom A formula for a divided developer (much of this is snipped 
straight from a message from Tom):
Divided Pyrocat  (published in Leica Photography #1/1968). 

Part A
Water ( room temperature is fine)                               100 ml
Pyrocatechin (or Catechol)                                      10 grams
Sodium Sulphite                                                 2 grams
Potassium Bromide                                               0,5 grams

Part B
Water ( room temperature again)                                 100 ml
Sodium Hydroxide                                                10 grams
Potassium Bromide                                               O,5 grams

The Pyrocatechol/catechine is toxic and treat it with respect ( don't lick 
the spoon!)
The volume of Sodium Sulphite is so small that it dissolves quickly. You can 
use distilled water but I have not seen any difference from my filtered 
darkroom supply. Let it sit for a while to ensure that everything has 
dissolved - stir occasionally.

The B is quick to mix. The Sodium Hydroxide does generate heat when it is 
added to the water (remember always add acid/alkali to the water -never the 
other way around as it can splatter and give you nasty burns to hands and 
face).

USE
Take 20 ml of A and add 250ml of water (room temperature) in a clean beaker 
and the same for the B solution (20ml B/250 ml water) in a different beaker. 
Be careful that no B goes into the A beaker as it will kill the A solution!  
I usually do batches of 5 or 10 rolls and mix up A/B in appropriate volume. 
This is a 1-shot developer and you dump it after a run. However, it is quick 
to mix and this way you are assured that it is always fresh.  Pour your 
mixed A into the developing tank and agitate every 30 sec for 4 minutes. 
Nothing much happens here, mainly saturating the emulsion. Pour out the A 
and without rinse, pour in the B solution. Again agitate every 30 sec for 4 
minutes (2 turns each time and bang it against the counter for the first 3-4 
agitation cycles to knock out any airbubbles). Dump the B and a quick rinse 
in water and fix as usual. Once the negs have been washed and dried, they 
look muddy and greenish/gray but that is how they should be. Once you put it 
into the enlarger you will find that they print fine! I don't know how well 
they would scan. It is a convenient developer as it is quick to mix and 
consistent in result. Because of it being a A/B developer you have less 
chance of frying the highlights as the only active developer compound is the 
miniscule amount that is absorbed by the emulsion in the A-bath. The B bath 
only serves as an alkaline activator and "jumpstarts" the process. It is 
difficult to overdevelop with the split formulas  ( the main advantage), but 
you can not push-process either. TriX stays at 400 ASA and XX seems to give 
a consistent 250 ASA in natural light (but rate it at 200 ASA in tungsten).  
Pyro-developers are not fine grain developers, but the acutance is very good 
and this formula is typical. Most films that I have done with it have normal 
grain (for the speed), except Bergger 200 film - truly ugly grain!

So, there?s plenty to experiment with there.  Tom?s divided pyrocat 
developer derives its grain structure from the very high alkalinity and 
pyrocat primary developer.

To answer Phil?s initial question: if you?re willing to mix up a batch of 
Divided D76 (or but some from Formulary) or AB-55, you?ll probably get more 
?normal? results and a bit more flexibility than from Diafine.

Let me know how you go, if you try any of these.

Marty


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