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Subject: [Leica] Armed *White* America?
From: richard-lists at imagecraft.com (Richard)
Date: Thu Aug 9 09:58:33 2007
References: <200708090036.l790aeOb075113@dragonsgate2.imagecraft.com> <0JMH00M82LJUFSQ1@l-daemon>

With all due respect, Ted, you are over-reacting.

I am just asking for an assessment, I am not saying whether the book 
is good or not based on this criteria or not.

But you know what the funny thing is?

Most "white folks" would never even notice things like that.

Again, no comment on whether this is good or not.

Just a comment.

At 08:26 PM 8/8/2007, Ted Grant wrote:

>Richard for crying out loud!
>
>Do you know how stupid this is? Dumb ass stupid, that's what!!
>
>
>
>Simply because Kyle didn't start out to shoot a book representing every
>colour in the rainbow nor ethnic cross section!! Get real! When a book idea
>like this is born it's not to represent all the colours in the rainbow, but
>about people who volunteer their services to be photographed for a potential
>book about guns and folks who own them!
>
>
>
>This kind of tripe isn't any different than when Sandy Carter and I had
>completed our book about women in medicine and the shooting was finished
>after nearly a year and a half criss crossing North America in many
>hospitals and medical centres. We received this same kind of bull shit from
>a writer who was asked to work on the book with us.
>
>
>
>As soon as she brought up.... "where are the handi-capped doctors and
>nurses, there isn't enough colour representation, where are the Asians etc
>etc  every damn BS line one could possibly imagine regarding all the PC
>nonsense. Guess what? She was history instantaneously! Simply because
>there's real life in the world and the way some folks would like to have it!
>However, never shall the twain meet as sorry as I am to write that at the
>moment! Maybe after 10 life times of 10 life times of the next 10
>generations of appreciating each others colour in the rainbow simply because
>we all give something to this world as messed up as it is!
>
>
>
>Damn Richard and you aren't helping one iota with your silly tripe!
>
>
>
>Right now don't anybody jump in with I'm a bigot! Simply because I've always
>been a champion for women to be equally treated and paid as men, colour was
>never a thing in my life because of the way I was brought up that we are as
>human beings all equal!
>
>
>
>How many of you have ever thought about relating to our human race in this
>fashion?
>
>
>
>Take every colour there is in our rainbow and each one makes a tiny cut in a
>finger! SURPISE WE ALL BLEED THE SAME COLOUR! Damn I bet not too many ever
>thought of it in that equaling fashion! So quite frankly that's how I was
>brought up to respect every other human being of different colour or
>religion or whatever they wanted to be! The colour of their blood!
>
>Skin was just the cover colour, not the book inside!
>
>
>
>So when I read someone brings up this drivel about race-colour whatever
>Richard is alluding to, I lose it! Yep the problem is real I don't deny
>that, but what screws it up is when some one brings it up in such a stupid
>manner! It has no relation in this book as first published!
>
>
>
>Certainly where every colour, religion, size, male, female or whatever one
>wishes to call themselves, had the opportunity to VOLUNTEER to be in Kyle's
>book! Absolutely no discrimination whatsoever! Merely in the minds of the
>retarded!
>
>
>
>Similarly so in our book, "Women in Medicine." Sandy Carter and I didn't go
>around looking for black, coloured, white whatever doctors and nurses came
>in. Simply because we had all kinds of them doing the job of looking after
>all the folks who required medical attention regards of rainbow colour and
>we had them all in our coverage where ever they were giving their care to
>others!! Regardless of whatever or whomever!
>
>
>
>Nor did we look for ... "are you a handi-capped person medical
>professional?" I will say the only single item we watched for was a, are you
>ready? "A PREGNANT DOCTOR OR NURSE WHO WAS SHOWING SHE WAS!" That was it!
>:-) Yes and there is one in the book! :-)
>
>
>
>As a matter of fact our wonderful book concept was originally suggested by
>one of the most understanding and professional women doctors or any doctor,
>male or female I've ever had the honour and privilege of knowing. And
>Richard if you were astute enough you might buy our book and read this
>doctor's forward! And be surprised!
>
>
>
>A lady of human class beyond real life, as wonderful as an angel could be.
>She just happened to be the Director of Nuclear Cardiology in a big hospital
>with a wonderful staff of many colours. And she was black!
>
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
>What I really don't understand is ....
>
>"WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH LEICA PHOTOGRAPHY?" And Richard why
>did you bring it up?
>
>
>
>Apart from the fact I'm bagged after being in front of TV cameras all day on
>the final shoot for the BRAVO TV programme to be released in October about
>the old guy! :-)  Oh yeah and flaunting the Leica M8 in every scene! :-)
>Awesome! ;-) But dang it sure was and has been fun! :-)
>
>
>
>ted
>
>
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