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Subject: [Leica] snooze and squeeze...
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue Jun 24 08:31:25 2008
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On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:12 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Ouch! No more technical critiques or theory for you from Down  
> Under ;-)
> I thought Durer's part quote was very cool. It is nearly 500 years  
> old.
> He even has a Hahnemuele fine art paper named in his honour!


Hops,

I'm glad you maintain your finely honed sense of humor,

you must remember,  we can only learn from what we understand,

Steve



>
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Leica] snooze and squeeze...
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>
>> Aah, playing the HCB card hey?
>> Looks like you are doing fine on the decisive moment criteria. So we
>> can assume that there was zero cropping, ever! and also someone else
>> suffered in the darkroom for your unconscious art ;-)
>> Want to talk about HCB's instinctive and magnificent mastery of
>> composition and geometry from his training as a painter? Or some  
>> really
>> difficult negs made without the benefit of meters and other new  
>> fangled
> developments?
>>
>> '..Sane judgement abhors nothing so much as a picture perpetrated
>> with no
>> technical knowledge, although with plenty of care and diligence..."
>> Albrecht Durer, 1535. ;-) ;-)
>
>
> no, I don't think Henri was ever that preachy and pedantic...
>
>
> ;-)
>
> Steve
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] snooze and squeeze...
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>
>>> Steve, the moments caught and the people's faces are delightful. I
>>> have to be the heretic and say that I don't think the light makes
>>> them
>> ideal candidates for BW. (Lower levels with a little less distinct
>>> direction and their natural darker skin tones). Mainly though I
>>> think both benefit from lighter rendering. There is modelling and
> sufficient detail there, seen when lightened (I tried globally  
> lighter and
> they improve IMHO).
>> please Geoff  send to me privately...I'd really appreciate it.
>>
>>> For me they are too far into the darks so that hair and eyes detail
>>> are lost. Two more heresies;
>>> A blink of fill flash might have been good for eyes in squeeze and I
>>> bet that you would get more differentiation and engagement in
>>> colour in both. Were these converted or shot as BW originals?
>>
>> I have to be honest... shot as bw...
>>
>> handheld, no flash, no tripod, no studio lights, in the clinic,  
>> during
>> real life ... I think I am the heretic... (but Henri would be  
>> proud...)
>> :-)
>>> I'd be happy to read dissenting opinion (and probably will!)
>> I wouldn't entirely rule it out...
>> :-)
>> Steve
>
>
>
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Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] snooze and squeeze...)
Message from hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] snooze and squeeze...)